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Hormones, Dutch Test, Urine samples - What's it All About? The Dr. Kelly Head ND Interview!

November 23, 2020 Dr. Isabel MD & Culinary Nutrition Expert Chef Michael Season 1 Episode 28
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Hormones, Dutch Test, Urine samples - What's it All About? The Dr. Kelly Head ND Interview!
Nov 23, 2020 Season 1 Episode 28
Dr. Isabel MD & Culinary Nutrition Expert Chef Michael

Let me introduce Dr. Kelly Head ND, she is a dear friend of mine now because she has helped me greatly and helping understand Hormones.  Dr. Kelly is a board certified naturopath doctor in Portland, Oregon, and an educator in hormone testing and women's health. 

She is a clinical consultant for precision analytical, the company who makes the Dutch Test, which if you're unfamiliar is a test that offers one of the most comprehensive hormone panels available on the market today. 

Dr. Kelly has a primary role is to educate health practitioners on how to interpret their patients Dutch hormone test results, and she absolutely adores helping these practitioners learn about how the Dutch Test, which can help shed light on their patient's symptoms,  often include heavy bleeding cramping, acne in fertility, mood swings, depression, hot flashes, exhaustion, insomnia, low sex drive, difficulty losing, and so much more. 

With the Urine testing, we do have a lot of research showing that the Urine estrogen and progesterone is very, very similar to what's happening in the blood, unlike a blood test where you get that snapshot of the estrogen and the progesterone at that specific time during the day, the urine testing is nice because you get more of an average or more of a comprehensive look at your hormones over the course of the entire collection period, which was about a day's worth of data.

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Show Notes Transcript

Let me introduce Dr. Kelly Head ND, she is a dear friend of mine now because she has helped me greatly and helping understand Hormones.  Dr. Kelly is a board certified naturopath doctor in Portland, Oregon, and an educator in hormone testing and women's health. 

She is a clinical consultant for precision analytical, the company who makes the Dutch Test, which if you're unfamiliar is a test that offers one of the most comprehensive hormone panels available on the market today. 

Dr. Kelly has a primary role is to educate health practitioners on how to interpret their patients Dutch hormone test results, and she absolutely adores helping these practitioners learn about how the Dutch Test, which can help shed light on their patient's symptoms,  often include heavy bleeding cramping, acne in fertility, mood swings, depression, hot flashes, exhaustion, insomnia, low sex drive, difficulty losing, and so much more. 

With the Urine testing, we do have a lot of research showing that the Urine estrogen and progesterone is very, very similar to what's happening in the blood, unlike a blood test where you get that snapshot of the estrogen and the progesterone at that specific time during the day, the urine testing is nice because you get more of an average or more of a comprehensive look at your hormones over the course of the entire collection period, which was about a day's worth of data.

Download & Listen for the Whole Story!

and you can follow Dr. Kelly on IG  @drkellyhead and the website is https://dutchtest.com

How to Support the Mission of the Show?

1. Be a Hero and tell a friend and loved one about the MD and Chef Team podcast. They will surely thank you. 

2. Join the CEO of Your Health FB Live Weekly Coaching Group. This is where we do weekly coaching sessions and have a community that inspires each other to be better in health and life.
https://doctoronamission.mykajabi.com/ceo-of-your-health-fb-group

3. Follow our adventures on the Doctoronamission VLOG. Do you love stories and video adventure to laugh, cry and be empowered? So do we. That's why we have a vlog (That's a blog done in video style.) Just the way we do it here at Doctoronamission!
https://doctoronamission.com/blog/ 

4. For daily insights, imspiration, and behing the scenes action, follow us on Instagram and Facebook; just look for Doctoronamission (Dr. Isabel MD)
https://www.facebook.com/doctoronamission/
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Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (45s):
Hello, dr. Kelly had welcome to Doctoronamission. I'm so glad you're here. Thank you. I feel happy to be here with you. Thanks for inviting me. How are things in Portland? There are pretty good. I mean, as good as they can be during this kind of crazy year, it has been a crazy, yeah. The pandemic year. Yes. Fantastic. And it costs a lot more to love Portland because I learn how to drink a very good coffee in Portland did You nice.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (1m 28s):
Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good coffee. I guess I have a beer too. Oh, yes. Your beer. I can wait until they start coming out with gluten-free beer as well. They do. Oh, fantastic. Yeah, I'll have to tell you about it. Great. Well, let me introduce dr. Kelly Head, she is a dear friend of mine now because she has helped me greatly and helping understand Hormones dr. Kelly is a board certified nature path doctor in Portland, Oregon, and I'm an educator in hormone testing and women's health. She is a clinical consultant for precision analytical, the company who makes the Dutch Test, which if you're unfamiliar is a test that offers one of the most comprehensive hormone panels available on the market today, dr.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (2m 20s):
Kelly is a primary role is to educate health practitioners on how to interpret their patients Dutch hormone test results, and you're doing an excellent job at that. So thanks. She tells me she has access. She absolutely adores helping these practitioners learn about how the Dutch Test can help shed light on their patient's symptoms, which often include heavy bleeding cramping, acne in fertility, mood swings, depression, hot flashes, exhaustion, insomnia, low sex drive, difficulty losing, and so much more.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (3m 1s):
Dr. Kelly completed her medical education at the national university of natural medicine in Portland, Oregon. And she has also completed a private residency at Pearl natural health in downtown Portland, where she specializes in inflammatory bowel disease, thyroid health, adrenal health, and women's health in her free time. She enjoys lifting weights, a good job and surfing Oregon ways while wearing a very thick, wet suit. I bet you were in a thick, wet, and yes, and she has an Instagram account where she posts on women's health.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (3m 42s):
You can follow her at the handle is at Dr Dr. Kelly, K E L L Y H E a D. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for that beautiful bio.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (3m 56s):
Oh, thank you. Yeah, I do. I do wear a very thick wetsuit. It's pretty cold out here and I got my hoodie and my booties and my gloves on, so, and you never get cold. I do, actually. I went surfing one time when the sand was frozen and it was in the 30, so it was it. I was cold that day for sure.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (4m 16s):
Well, can we talk about the cold plunge? I know, right before we started talking about the cold plunge, I have just started doing a 15 second freezing cold shower at the end of my shower.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (4m 33s):
So yeah, I have two in the last month I've incorporated it. It's not that easy. Yeah,

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (4m 38s):
No, no, no. But you know, when I really like about it, it's learning how to control your brain and not letting your brain control, you know, because you know what we're thinking just before we turn on that cold water, right? Yeah, no, no, no, no.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (4m 55s):
Right. All right. So when I was, I just do it a little lukewarm and I'm like, its not a very cold day But but yeah, no, it it's supposed to have a lot of benefits and then that's the vagal nerve and helped with the adrenals. So I'm doing my best.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (5m 7s):
Yeah. And our mitochondria. Oh yeah. Well we'll talk about that at another time. Okay. Okay. Well I'd like to, well, first of all, I had never learned about the Dutch test and Urine testing in medical school. And I just would love for you to share your, your knowledge about the importance of Urine testing on male and female hormone testing. Because we, as doctors all are taught to just do the blood and the blood test tells you everything. And I remember in medical school, women would come to me and do the blood test, everything looked fine and they would still be happy, be symptomatic.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (5m 50s):
So take it away, dr. Kelly.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (5m 53s):
Yes. And I'm so passionate about the Dutch Test but I'll try to keep this quick yeah. With the Urine testing. And we do have a lot of research showing that the Urine estrogen and progesterone is very, very similar to what's happening in the blood, but unlike a blood test where you get that snapshot of the estrogen and the progesterone at that specific time during the day, the urine testing is nice because you get more of an average or more of a comprehensive look at your hormones over the course of the entire collection period, which was about a day's worth of data. So you can get a little bit more information than just that, that one single snapshot M plus the urine.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (6m 35s):
I mean, we're looking at estrogen and progesterone, but we're looking at all of the metabolites of estrogen, the metabolites, the progesterone and the androgen Live Metabolife of the androgen. So it can give you some more information about your overall hormone levels, but also how are you metabolizing your estrogen? Are you favoring a pattern or a pathway that might increase your risk for breast cancer or are you methylating and clearing out your estrogen as well? Could that be causing your estrogen-dominant symptoms? And one more thing Dutch Test we also have our cycle mapping. So you can look at your estrogen and your progesterone over the course of one cycle or one collection period, which is amazing because you get so much more information.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (7m 16s):
Then if you just went in for a blood draw on day 21 of your cycle, and sometimes I see women with normal within range estrogen's in their luteal phase, but above range estrogen's in their auditory phase. So they can have all these estrogen dominant type symptoms, like heavy bleeding and breast tenderness and mood swings. But when they go in and to get a blood draw or it looks like the rest of the genes within range are normal, but in fact it's not right.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (7m 41s):
Mm. And the doctor says, Oh, you're fine. Everything's fine. It's not your Hormones, but we know that inner Dr in us, like knows some things going on. Yep. Yeah. And can you talk a little bit about the metabolics? Cause that was a big, a big wow. For me, because I never learned that in medical school about the importance of the metabolite and explain what metabolites are and all that stuff. Yeah.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (8m 8s):
All right. So when we have projesterone in our body, for example, our estrogen, or even the androgens like testosterone or D H our body will metabolize them downstream into other androgens. And for example, like the famous one that we all know about is testosterone being metabolized by five alpha reductase into a five alpha DHT five alpha DHT is really important. I think to measure because it's, it's three times more potent than testosterone and it loves to hang out in the tissue. So five of the alpha DHT is the androgen that is causing, you know, if it's too high, it can cause acne can cause hair loss, facial hair, growth, body, hair growth.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (8m 56s):
And so I love that we have That metabolite on the Dutch test that we were looking at, but uhm, looking at progesterone and you know, when we metabolize and clear out progesterone, we're metabolizing it into alpha and beta pregnant or a dial. Those are the ones that we measure. And we know that the alpha metabolite is the metabolite, the ax on the Gabba receptors in the brain, which can help with sleep and anxiety. So if a woman isn't metabolizing her progesterone into the alpha, she's shifting more or pushing her, her progesterone more down the beta pathway, then we might see even more issues with mood or anxiety. But there are actually, there's a lot to say on that topic. It's not just low alpha leading to mood issues.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (9m 39s):
If you have a high alpha that can also lead to a mood issues. So there's a lot of different patterns that we can see on the Dutch Test even with the estrogen metabolites, when we metabolize and clear out our estrogens, sometimes we don't do it in the most healthy way. And we know that alcohol and smoking and inflammation and stress and some environmental chemicals can push our estrogen is down pathways that can increase our risk for breast cancer or even an increased risk for prostate cancer in men. So looking at the estrogen, metabolite is even important for men.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (10m 9s):
Yes. Which I have learned when I call you up and I go help me with this. Dutch Test with this man and I'm helping out your such a good educator. You've helped me out greatly. I was like, we got to share you with the world.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (10m 26s):
I love the Cajun. So this is my favorite thing to do.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (10m 31s):
I want to kind of spend the next little bit talking about women, going through perimenopause, transition into menopause. And we will share again with the audience, my story, some of you may know this, some of you who may not have six years ago, I try to take my life. I went into a spiral, uhm, of 17 nights of only sleeping two hours, three hours. I, I did not know what was happening to me. And I just got to the point where I gave up and I just tried to end it. And M and then I was like, no, I was helping.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (11m 13s):
That was stopped. That that whole episode was stopped. However, I know that sounds really, really strange. I am so grateful. I went through that experience because it helped me understand and take a deep dive into women's hormones. And that's what I started to learn about Dutch testing. And that's where I started to learn about the importance of the progesterone, the importance of the testosterone on the importance of, of estrogen. And, you know, I was healthy. I was like strong and healthy and I wasn't overweight. My body fat was low.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (11m 53s):
I was exercising when my husband and I were so sweet. I had a great Live. I was a Dr I started Doctoronamission so had everything to live for it. But on the inside all my gosh, it was turmoil. So I would love for you to go ahead and share with our audience about women's hormones and how they can experience insomnia. They can experience depression and it's not all in their head, but this is actually in their body and this, and it needs to be researched and looked into because doctors don't know about this.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (12m 38s):
Yes. Are you okay with that?

Dr. Kelly Head ND (12m 40s):
For sure. For sure. Isabel thank you for sharing your story. First of all, and just for us so happy that you are here with us right now. I love me smiling face. So, but it does bring an issue here around women's health and perimenopause, as women are getting older and going into menopause, how are Hormones do fluctuate and it can affect our ability to sleep well in our sleep efficiency, in how much deep sleep we are getting that it can effect our, our, our, our mood for sure. You know, anxiety, depression is usually higher around that time and it can effect our inclination to take our lives.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (13m 28s):
So I was looking at some statistics. I thought it was really interesting. And in the USA from 1999 to 2018, and this is from the CDC, thee, the women who are most at risk for suicide were ages 45 to 64. And we know that perimenopause is about age 42 to 52 menopause women go into menopause around age 45 to 55 though. The average is around age 52, but in Australia in 2015, the age range of women who were at increased risk for suicide was 45 to 49.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (14m 12s):
So there you go. It's still right in that period menopausal range and for New Zealand, new Zealand's interesting from what I found the age range, 20 to 24 had the most suicide for women and then 15 to 19, but then after that was 45 to 49. So just, just overall, basically we are seeing an increased rates of suicide around that period menopausal stage. And a lot of people do think it's from these fluctuating hormones. You know, our, our body is changing. Our ovaries are starting to kinda, you know, hand over the Baton to do the adrenals Because after our ovaries stop producing our sex hormones, then it's up to our adrenals to produce the majority of our sex hormones.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (14m 58s):
Right? So in perimenopause, you know, a lot of people think about symptoms such as low libido, hot flashes, weight gain, but mood issues are definitely significant. And insomnia is significant. And we've, there's a couple of theories on why these changes are happening with the mood issues and the insomnia. And we know that with insomnia, like, you know, you we're going, it was 17 days,

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (15m 29s):
17 days,

Dr. Kelly Head ND (15m 31s):
17 days with, with two hours a week.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (15m 32s):
Yeah. Two to three hours and still showing up in being a medical doctor from my patient. Yeah.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (15m 37s):
Oh my gosh. Yeah. So that's a lot of stress on top of it. And we do know that with insomnia, it increases your risk for depression and anxiety and suicide. It's a risk factor for suicide. So do you, do you want to get into all the reasons that might cause these mood issues and insomnia,

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (15m 57s):
You bet. Cause I've got a, you know, I've got a session that's coming up a, a virtual masterclass, which I'll talk to you about later, but it's a four hour virtual masterclass and it's, I'm calling it the bossy brain solution, how to overcome anxiety and depression and naturally how I did it and how you can too. And we will be discussing all of this stuff. So please share it because it's, so when women don't know this stuff and I'm here to share it in a Health.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (16m 30s):
Yeah. So I'll talk about insomnia first, please. Like a lot of times it is very menopause. Women start having sleep issues. And of course, I always like to rule out other causes like auto-immune issues, thyroid issues, sleep apnea, for example, as women age, and as we go through perimenopause and menopause, we have an increased risk for diabetes, increased risk for obesity and gaining weight. So it can change your body habitus and lead to more snoring, our lead to more sleep apnea. But, you know, without, after a rolling out all these other issues, sometimes we get older are progesterone production declines, or are we start having more irregular cycles?

Dr. Kelly Head ND (17m 18s):
Maybe our cycles are longer. So we're not making progesterone as often when we do make progesterone that Corpus luteum that makes our progesterone, perhaps that production of progesterone is lower. And we know, I think I touched on this a little bit before, but we know that progesterone gets metabolized into these progesterone metabolites and the alpha metabolite crosses the blood brain barrier and X on the GABA receptors in the brain. So it actually, it really does help with our sleep and it really does help with our mood. So people call progesterone on the joy of life, hormone, and sometimes on perimenopause I'll have women and start cycling projesterone or if there are cycles or really far apart, like a couple of months apart, I might even have them just start taking oral progesterone every night to help with that sleep, to help with that mood.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (18m 9s):
How

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (18m 9s):
Much, how much do you recommend?

Dr. Kelly Head ND (18m 12s):
Gosh, it is different for every woman in it. It really, I kind of do, you know, base it off of the symptoms, but also the research. So if she is taking estrogen and she has a uterus and the research is showing that 100 to 200 milligrams of oral progesterone, or at least 12 consecutive days out of the month or the same dose, 100 to 200 milligrams with intra-vaginal progesterone. And this has progesterone placed into the upper third quadrant of the vaginal canal. So not just a way of you and use at least 12 consecutive days out of the month, that that can be safe to help protect her endometrial lining or uterine, like from that hyperplasia an increased risk of cancer.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (18m 57s):
But you can see that estrogen unopposed estrogen in, I should say some people think that 14 consecutive days out of a month is a safer option. Some people think that the higher dose to a hundred is a safer option, but if a woman isn't taking progesterone or is it taking estrogen, or I should say M or if she didn't have a uterus, then the dosing is a little more lenient. You know, we don't have to do a a hundred or 200 to protect her uterine lining. We could even start off with 25 or 50. The most common one that I use is a hundred, but it really is kind of on a case by case basis. So I always had people talk to their doctor

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (19m 37s):
Right. And were talking about bio-identical Yes TestRail. And right after that, micronized progesterone. Yes where are you getting it? Get it from a compounding pharmacy.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (19m 51s):
Yes or no. It's you can get it prescription it's called. Oh yeah, yeah. But a lot of times we compound it.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (19m 60s):
Okay.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (20m 1s):
But in that perimenopausal state or phase a lot, a lot of people, if it is a very stressful time for women to, and a lot of times they are taking care of their children and are there taking care of their parents that are getting older and they have their job to worry about it. And so that can really affect our sleep too. It's not always just lower progesterone, but supporting for, just for production, with the protestor on or to Inditex. And we'll talk about that a little later. It could be. Yeah.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (20m 27s):
Yes, yes, yes. Via texts. I've heard I've used by texts on some people, and that seems to help too.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (20m 35s):
Yeah. Yeah. Especially kind of like younger cycling women by tax has been shown to lengthen the luteal phase and to increase progesterone production. But it also to increase LH signalling and LH signalling is what tells you the Corpus luteum and the ovaries to make progesterone. So in perimenopausal women, it, you know, their brain ovarian communication isn't as optimal as when you're younger and cycling. So the <inaudible> sometimes I tend to use a little higher dose in perimenopause, but there is some research in menopausal women with biotechs showing that it can help reduce anxiety and it can help with hot flashes.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (21m 20s):
And it does have some anti-inflammatory and some phytoestrogenic properties. So I suspect it might be working in that way.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (21m 28s):
Interesting.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (21m 31s):
Yeah. It's a, it's a good, it's good or bad. I love it. But in, in women with these mood issues, there is some theories on why women might be having some mood issues and peri-menopause, and the ones that I can think of are, well, first of all, we're on the estrogen rollercoaster and you know,

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (21m 54s):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (21m 57s):
So sometimes women will have hot flashes for like three weeks straight as their estrogen is low. And then they will have some breast tenderness and some acne, it followed by some heavy bleeding because their estrogen is like just Serge and get super Hi. So the estrogen rollercoaster estrogen is actually really important for modulating serotonin levels. And we know that serotonin is involved with a mood issues. Right. And the involved with our mood. Yes. So it's interesting. Cause if serotonin, or if Mary, if the estrogen gets too low, then serotonin can drop. But if the estrogen it gets too high, it can block the conversion of tryptophan to serotonin.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (22m 42s):
Interesting. Right. Yeah. So So of estrogen are too high of estrogen can affect serotonin levels. So that's one way that I think in perimenopause, our hormones could be affecting our mood, you know, estrogen, you know, you always need it in kind of that sweet spot to work well with our blood sugars too. So if it gets too low or too high, we can have some blood sugar issues. We might start gaining more weight. I think that's possibly why in perimenopause, when we start getting more weight and a little more difficult to lose weight too,

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (23m 17s):
It was such a challenging period of time.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (23m 21s):
Yeah. I know. I'm, I'm not, I haven't been there yet, but I'm looking forward to it.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (23m 26s):
Well, you'll be ready that's for sure. So I'm kind of like a forest before you, so you can kind of go again. I don't want to do what it is about. Went through it.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (23m 38s):
Well, I just ask you a lots of questions, you know? Yeah. Yeah. How did you do that?

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (23m 42s):
Yes. I'm here and estrogen in another really

Dr. Kelly Head ND (23m 46s):
Interesting fun fact for estrogen is it is a Nao or Mel, you know, the Mo monoamine oxidase, and it's a Now inhibitor centrally. So when estrogen levels decline, you often see Now activity increase and what does Now do it metabolizes out, serotonin it metabolizes out dopamine and it metabolizes out are norepinephrine or epinephrine or adrenaline. So it was that increased metabolism are clearing out of these neuro-transmitters we can see some fluctuations with their mood.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (24m 23s):
Amazing, amazing, amazing. And you know what? It really hurts my heart when I hear women going in for a hysterectomy and the doctor just says, yeah, and the surgeon just takes out the ovaries too, you know, the ovaries or so important. And when I asked them, well, why did they take out your ovaries? Oh, they said, I didn't need it. I'm like only somebody who doesn't have ovaries would say that. Yeah,

Dr. Kelly Head ND (24m 54s):
Yeah, yeah. I know. I'm always like, well, let's see if we can save the ovaries or at least because we need, we need that estrogen. And if they take the ovaries out at least, you know, stick to estrogen patch on 'em right away.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (25m 6s):
Absolutely. And do you know, estrogen is so important now that I'm helping to prevent and reverse cognitive decline and early Alzheimer's estrogen is so important for brain function from memory. It's amazing. I'll have women I'll check their Dutch Test and I see that their estrogen is low. And do you know, I make sure that we do all the right things to make sure we're not going to get breast cancer, prevent all that. And they are not high risk for breast cancer. And then I'll start them on the estrogen patch and their memory starts coming back. They were like, wow, the lights or back on. So extra time is so important.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (25m 46s):
And we know that dementia is higher in women than it is in men. And now understanding all about Hormones, if you can understand why dementia is higher in the women in Alzheimer's is higher than the women.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (26m 2s):
Yeah. It is very important for our cognition, our memory or concentration, a lot of women will get brain fog along with the mood issues. Omnia. We always like, is it the low estrogen causing the brain fog? Or is it the insomnia as it is probably a little bit of everything. Okay.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (26m 21s):
A mixture. Yeah. And I'll tell you, I do have men that I, that have problems with asleep and I'll put them on a micronized progesterone and they slip a lot better than a hundred to 200 milligrams at night. Don't have to worry about it, a uterus in them. So, and they have a good night's sleep. And me personally, you know, what I've learned from whole thing is one. I need my estrogen. So I've got my estrogen patch. I've got my oral progesterone that I take at night time. I do D H T a L I use a little bit of testosterone and plus a whole, you know, this is just a hormone part.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (27m 3s):
We also have to take care of, you know, what you're eating and your sleep and all that. But that has just helped me understand and take care of the bigger picture. And I feel like I'm like this laboratory, you know, I'm this experiment and I'm experimenting on myself. And that helps me understand how to help my patients. I am really grateful. It was, I didn't like it, but I'm glad I went through it. And now I'm on the other side going, okay, ladies and gentlemen, I can help you.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (27m 36s):
Yeah. Right now you have the experience, you went through it. So you know how to help other people and you know what they're going through. Right,

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (27m 43s):
Right. And I've got you to dr. Kelly to help me. You are my go doctor. And now I'm telling you, if you are such a good teacher, I love the way you teach or you're so patient and repeat things and send me all these articles. So. All right.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (27m 60s):
Thank you. So yeah, we have, we've got a good, good group of docs. I think we have like 10 bucks on a lot on our team. So a lot of consultation power there, you know, and we all share our information and our research articles. So if that's really a great and wonderful team to do it hard.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (28m 17s):
Yeah. So, so if women or men are in America, they can, can you tell us where they can get the Dutch Test

Dr. Kelly Head ND (28m 25s):
Yes. Yeah. So they can go to the best place would probably be to go to our website and the website is www.dutchtest.com. So that's D U S T C H dot a Test T E S T. Don't want to forget that.com and a Dutch is actually an acronym for a dried urine testing for a comprehensive Hormones. If you're wondering, they can also call us@eightfivezerothreesixeightseventozerofivetozerooremailinfoatdutchtest.com. Great.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (29m 3s):
And if people are in New Zealand and Australia, they can contact me. I do do do the Dutch test and they can contact me@infoatdoctoronamission.com. That's Dr one long word, doc, T O R on a mission.com. And yes, I am on that. Mission until my last breath to help prevent and reverse disease and give people hope because we needed out there in medicine.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (29m 31s):
Well, we do. I told them, I just am happy that there is practitioners out there like you, that do you take a more functional approach and are looking at the, when it comes to mood and not just starting a perimenopausal woman on an SSRI,

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (29m 47s):
Which is what was done to me. I was told, okay, you're going to need to be on Prozac and take him for the rest of your life. And I was like, I know that in our doctrine side of me knows that that is not the answer. And I was a doctor and I used to do that for my patients, but I knew, no, this is not the way to go. So I encourage everybody out there. That's listening to know that you've got an inner doctrine side of you. And when you come to somebody like dr. Kelly or myself know that, where are your second opinion? We want you to listen to that inner doctrine side of you, because it is very, very, very wise, right?

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (30m 27s):
Kelly

Dr. Kelly Head ND (30m 28s):
Yes. A hundred percent in the body is Wife.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (30m 31s):
I would like to ask you, why are you going to go surfing tonight?

Dr. Kelly Head ND (30m 34s):
It's a day. No, but going into surfing this next week and a bunch. Yeah. Today I got to work and I live like an hour, an hour or two hours from the beach. So it's quite the ordeal to get there, but you know,

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (30m 50s):
Okay. Well, if you ever come down to New Zealand, come visit us where we're were about 15, 20 minutes away from the beach. So he can, and you won't have to wear a wetsuit actually during winter, you will.

Dr. Kelly Head ND (31m 5s):
Well, it won't come during the winter. My fiance. I want to go for a honeymoon one day after that.

Dr. Isabel MD / Doctoronamission (31m 12s):
All right. All right. Well, God bless you. Thank you so much for your time and expertise. Beautiful. Let's do this again.