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Did Somebody Say; "What About My SKIN?"

July 24, 2021 Dr. Isabel MD & Culinary Nutrition Expert Chef Michael Season 2 Episode 20
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Did Somebody Say; "What About My SKIN?"
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In this Interview, Dr. Isabel MD chats with Jennifer Fugo about "Your SKIN."

🔵 Jennifer Fugo, MS, LDN, CNS is a clinical nutritionist empowering adults who’ve been failed by conventional medicine to beat chronic skin and unending gut challenges. She has experience working with conditions such as eczema, psoriasis, rosacea, dandruff + hives — with clientele ranging from regular folks to celebrities + professional athletes.

Jennifer also founded her own line of skincare + supplements available at specifically for people struggling with these chronic skin issues. 

🔵 She holds a Master’s degree in Human Nutrition from the University of Bridgeport and is a Licensed Dietitian-Nutritionist and Certified Nutrition Specialist. Her work has been featured on Dr. Oz, Reuters, Yahoo!, CNN, and many podcasts and summits. Jennifer is a faculty member of the LearnSkin platform, an Amazon best-selling author, and the host of the Healthy Skin Show.

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Speaker 0 (0s): Coming up on this episode of the MD and shift team show, 

Speaker 1 (8s): There are 16 root causes that at least I found, so there can be, and I'll run through them real fast. There's microbiome, dysbiosis, which can happen in the skin and the gut. Also, you can have hidden infections as well, like parasites, which move around can some can move around the body. So microbiome imbalances, so to speak, even, 

Speaker 0 (29s): Even parasites in the skin like scabies. 

Speaker 1 (33s): Oh yeah. And you can also have <inaudible> mites as well. Like DEMA decks mites can be a root cause for rosacea as well as eczema. So that's something to consider. That can be that's something you should get investigated for. Got dysfunction is a problem. So either like you can have like diarrhea, constipation, not producing enough stomach acid, not having enough. Digestive enzymes. 

Speaker 2 (59s): Welcome to the show from DMDs chef team. I'm Dr. Isabel medical doctor here at the MD and chef team. And who are you? I'm chef Michael Coleman nutrition expert. I'm the chef, the kid. And what are we going to talk about bad. Now I can see that cause he's my husband. Well, then we'll be talking about marriage relationships, parenting intimacy. Talk about mindsets that success overcoming depression, anxiety. I'll be getting into functional nutrition, recipes and tips from the kitchen. 

And we're going to both get into how to live a long, healthy, vibrant life. Yes. I love it. Our mission is to help you prevent and reverse disease and give you hope in the process. Oh yeah. We like to have fun. So let us get on the show. Hello, Jennifer. Hi. Thank you for having me. 

Speaker 0 (1m 58s): Oh, thanks for being with me. Tell me, where are you right now? 

Speaker 1 (2m 2s): I am outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the United States, actually at this moment. 

Speaker 0 (2m 7s): And how's the weather. It's 

Speaker 1 (2m 9s): A little steamy, little humid, but sunny and beautiful and picking lots of fakes and tomatoes in my garden. So I'm enjoying, you know, that's what you need in order to grow up. Bountiful have a boundable produce season. So do you have a big garden? I do. I have three raised beds and then I have a fig tree, two different pear trees and an apple tree. 

Speaker 0 (2m 33s): Ooh, yum. I love figs. What kind of fix you out? Do you have like the dark ones that are, or do you have the ones that are like yo, a little green and pink and the metal. 

Speaker 1 (2m 45s): So they're green and they get kind of purple-y on the bottom and then they're pink in the middle. They're so, so good. 

Speaker 0 (2m 51s): Yes. Oh man. I fell in love. I'm here in New Zealand. I fell in love with the figs. When I found, I never knew about fig trees. You know, I'm just one of those people that did not understand about fixing. Then one day somebody turned me on to a fig tree and I started picking them and eating them and wow, they are 

Speaker 1 (3m 9s): Delicious. Yes, absolutely. I, this is my favorite time of year and I ask, or I actually text, I'm texting, texting my neighbor saying, do you like things? Do you want some might my tree? I don't spray it. It's organic. I have so many, I don't even know what to do with them. Also. I love to share. 

Speaker 0 (3m 25s): Yeah, my husband, who's a chef loves to make, I don't know if you already do this, but he makes like an apple and fig compost. No, not, not compost, but compost, you know, it's kind of like, I don't know what it, I'm not the, I'm not the that's okay. It's okay. 

Speaker 1 (3m 43s): I don't do that. I either eat them wrong. Maybe I put them on a gluten free pizza, put them in salad and then I freeze them and using them protein shake. So it's pretty much the, the max of my usage of things. 

Speaker 0 (3m 54s): Yeah. Simple. Keep it simple. Exactly. I'm with you. I love simple 

Speaker 1 (4m 1s): Too. 

Speaker 0 (4m 3s): Well, listen. How about if I introduce you to our, to our listeners so that they know a little bit about you? Is that okay? Sounds great. Cause they are listening. You know, I did press record. All right. So Jennifer Fugo, did I say that correctly? You said you did it. What, what nationality is that? Is that a tie in Greek? It's Italian on? Great. So Jennifer Fugo is a clinical nutritionist, empowering adults who have not been helped by conventional medicine to beat chronic skin and unending gut challenges. 

Good Anya. She has experienced working with conditions such as eczema, psoriasis, rosacea, dandruff, and hives with clientele ranging from regular folks to celebrities and professional athletes. Jennifer also founded her own line of skin care and supplements available at www dot quell shop that's Q U E L L. specifically for people struggling with these chronic skin conditions. 

She holds a master's degree in human nutrition from the university of Bridgeport and is a licensed dietician and nutritionist and certified nutrition specialist. Bravo. I know that that's a lot of work and you just pressed on her work has been featured on Dr. Oz. Wow. Everybody wants to get on Dr. Oz, router's Yahoo, CNN, and many podcasts and summits. 

Jennifer is currently a faculty member on the learn skin platform, an Amazon best-selling author and the host of the healthy skin show. Welcome. 

Speaker 1 (5m 59s): Thank you. I'm excited. I'm actually really excited for this, especially because I love connecting with new people. And I think it's important because so many people who are, who have rashes really struggle. And a lot of times just hearing that somebody else has like literally been in their shoes even just that alone can bring someone comfort and hope and remind them that they're not. Do you know that there is the potential for some sort of answer out there? 

Speaker 0 (6m 29s): Absolutely. Absolutely. We give hope, right? I won't have to. Now I know that you've got a little story to share about your own experience. Do you mind sharing your story, your personal story with your skin challenges? Absolutely. 

Speaker 1 (6m 45s): Absolutely. So basically I started developing <inaudible> eczema on my, the palms of my hands in 2014, I was in the middle of grad school. So an extremely stressful period and running a business full time. And I developed these little label, like almost clear bubbles under the skin, on the inside of my middle finger. And at first I didn't think much of them, but then eventually when the summer time started and it's very humid here in the Philadelphia area, in the summertime, they became very ichi and sore and I tried not to itch, but it was like one of those uncontrollable itches. 

You just have to keep kind of scratching at it. And unfortunately the, the rash, those little bubbles burst and this rash started to spread and then eventually it would heal over and then it would start again. So the bubbles would like appear, get really irritated, super itchy, angry, everything burned. And it drove me nuts. And then it would slowly dry out and heal over. And this cycle just kept happening over and over and over again. And so my dad was a medical doctor and he gave me a steroid cream, but told me to just use it very sparingly. 

And eventually I got so frustrated, just doing not because I wanted to make it stop that I did go to a dermatologist and I was told like Euston Vaseline on your hands, keep the moisture in. And I'm like, yeah, I like have a life. I can't just put Vaseline on the palms of my hands all day. Like that's utterly impractical aside from, I wouldn't do that anyway. And I became very frustrated cause I couldn't work out at the gym. I had to stop cooking because I couldn't touch food. So I, I would have to wear gloves. So at home it was fine, but I taught cooking classes at the time. 

And when people see your hands are all messed up, like that's and I did understand like the, the faces, I was like, all right, that's not going to work. And I got to the point where like, I would wake myself up scratching at night, it started to spread. So it went up the fingers down the Palm spread to other fingers, went on the backside of my hands. And then my nails started to get messed up and it wasn't getting better. It was just getting worse and I couldn't figure out how to make it stop. And so I got to the point where like, I didn't want to see people anymore. 

I didn't want to go out at the house because my hands looked so awful and people would stare. Cause they think that you're infected with something, even though I wasn't. And so I thought that I was just gonna like, forget about it. I was like, I just, I'm going to be a hermit. I'm going to stay at home. And my husband said to me, you need to look at this from the way that you would for a client. Even if you don't have an answer, now you might start finding answers. And so what I did at the time, I would never give to somebody else. 

I would never recommend it because I didn't know what I was doing. I just made a guess. And I even continued forth for six to eight months without any change. So at around the six month mark, I started to see some improvement. I mean, that's how long I persisted with this goofy thing. Cause I was like, well, maybe it'll work. I don't know. And eventually the rashes did go away. But my persistence in wanting to get answers did not because I was still in Facebook groups and seeing these har I mean, honestly, if, I don't know if, if someone is listening and they're in a Facebook group for eczema or psoriasis or whatever, some of the photos that people will share, whether it's of their children or of themselves, usually they'll share moments either before and after or at their worst moment asking for help. 

And a lot of those worst moments like begging for help, it just breaks your heart. Especially when it's a child who's crying and in so much pain. And I thought to myself, I can't just say like I'm done because maybe my journey has hit its potential conclusion. I had no idea, but my job, my journey in this world is not done. And I can't leave those behind those people behind, like they're searching for the answers that maybe I have. And I, I want to follow through with that. 

And so that's where I started hosting events around all the information that I learned. I started the healthy skin show podcast, sharing information from different dermatologists, gastroenterologists, dieticians, nutritionists, all these different experts and even patients going through it themselves. And I just became very dedicated and focused to say, you know, maybe even from the holistic side and the integrative side, maybe we have missed the mark here because I tried a lot of the natural remedies into doc that better, no improvement, maybe sometimes a little better, but not really much just to drive home about maybe there's things we're missing. 

And so that's been, my goal is to say, how can we combine the best of a traditional approach and an integrative approach and maybe pieces together from a completely different perspective to help people get 

Speaker 0 (11m 34s): Better. Absolutely. I love that. Bringing in the conventional and the holistic, the conventional and the functional, well, your message is the message, isn't it? 

Speaker 1 (11m 44s): It is. It really is. 

Speaker 0 (11m 47s): So I wanted to kind of backtrack a little bit on two things, you know, your father and I were trained in medical schools to do one of, one of one thing. Well, one of two things is put a steroid on it and make it go away or give you prednisone to make it go away. So, you know, he only did what he knew to do. It's true. 

Speaker 1 (12m 10s): And I was fortunate enough to get the warning, to be careful, to not overuse and depend on the steroid, which I've come to learn. A lot of people don't get that warning. And unfortunately you can actually, for those listening, you see your body and skin can become addicted to topical steroids, which is actually manmade cortisol, which is the stress hormone your adrenals create. And so some people actually become addicted to it. And eventually we don't have a clear timeline on when that process happens, but you can actually sort of stumble over this line where your body falls into what's called like topical steroid withdrawal or addiction or red skin syndrome. 

And it's a really awful life wrecking experience. So I feel very grateful that I got the warning from my dad to be very, very cautious and judicious, but a lot of people don't and look, I, I'm not anti-medication, I think there's a time and a place for it. When, when, especially when instructions are appropriately given, I think we're, band-aiding with steroid cream. That's my opinion as both a patient. And as I know, I'm not a doctor and I know I'm not, I'm not, I agree. I agree 

Speaker 0 (13m 21s): With you, Jennifer. I agree with you. It is abandoned. That's what we're telling him. And that's why we're here talking. Yeah. 

Speaker 1 (13m 27s): And so if, if, if we're saying, okay, this star, the point of the steroid is to reduce inflammation, then we should make it our mission to go looking for where that inflammation is generated. Not just assuming that it's on the skin. When in reality, we do know, especially from the use of biologic drugs and the research done on them, that the inflammation can be driven internally, all like Dupixent, for example, or Humira or Embrel what they do is block inflammatory pathways that help shut off the inflammation that like steroid creams and other drugs will also do. 

You know? So if we know that inflammation is driven from someplace else, why are we looking for it? So that's sort of, because we're 

Speaker 0 (14m 7s): Not, we're not taught in medical training, how to do that. It's only in functional training, functional medicine and integrative. So that's why we're here helping people become the CEO of their health. Right? So another question I wanted to backtrack on is Vaseline, where did wait? Well, it's on marketing. I understand, but, oh my gosh, why are we putting patrols on skin Dharma Vaseline? Like, 

Speaker 1 (14m 38s): Oh my gosh, I think generally speaking, they feel like, well, it creates this emollients barrier that helps like lock the moisture in that you already have, because obviously, so for example, for those who might not have heard the term transepidermal water loss, your skin has normally we have actually a circadian rhythm at the skin and at night our skin loses more water. That's why a lot of times we feel sort of dried out in the morning and people will put moisturizer on at night, right before we go to sleep. 

But in eczema, for example, where the skin barrier is really compromised, we see an increase in that water loss. And so the, I think the idea is that it holds water in, but the problem is it's not breathable. So your skin is an organ that has like, this is one of our detox organ. So your skin cannot breathe. That's problem. Number one. But then it's not just Vaseline. I've heard stories of people using Chris SCO like the, the trans fat and putting that on. 

I've heard stories, unfortunately, of people wrapping themselves in saran wrap after they apply moisturizers and things. And again, I understand the idea, the idea is to help keep the skin moisturized. But my concern is that we're not allowing for, we're not a addressing the actual issue and B you're you're lock, literally locking things in it's the same problem, actually using coconut oil in the case of eczema, where coconut oil is also too large of molecules to be absorbed through the skin. And there's also a lot of coconut allergies now because of how much it's used in diet and topically. 

Like I'm not a hundred percent clear on why like took off on the internet on blogs as like the best moisturize her for like every part of your skin on your face. It can cause acne, but a lot of clients have noticed that their skin actually feels worse. It will feel hot when they apply coconut oil. And I've even had clients where they, they had very itchy, burning red skin on like say their face around their eyes, but they were using coconut oil and they were actually allergic to it. So I don't, I have a whole post on coconut oil. 

It is by far by far, the number one article that has the most comments of any article where so many who are like, oh my gosh, I thought I was alone. I have the same experience of how feeling awful using coconut oil on my skin. And I just thought it was just me and it's not, oh, poor people. I know like bad news, but when we know better, we can do better. So yeah. Well I have to, you know, I'll be, can I be transparent? 

Sure. My husband 

Speaker 0 (17m 23s): And I make our own moisturize. I know you've got a skincare pro store, but however, Michael and I make our own skincare and it's organic, extra-virgin coconut oil with certain essential oils, clean, essential oils, a hundred percent. And I'm okay. But I know that my daughters can't do that. Like they're, they're aghast, but I'm 61. I feel like I like it works for me, but for the younger skin it's not working. 


Speaker 1 (17m 55s): And, and again, that's a reminder that everyone is different. I think so often we want to say, what did you do? Well, the thing with what I've discovered, and this goes the same for topical as well as internal is that everybody has like, we are unique, you know, in the paleo world, they would say an equals one. Like you're a unique person. You have to address your unique body, your genetics, your history, everything, and the same goes for what we put on our skin. You know, it's amazing that for somebody, like, for example, with psoriasis or eczema, or even seborrheic dermatitis also known as dandruff wa one thing that will be mazing for one person will really irritate another person. 

So it's about trial and error and figuring out what's best for you. And also keeping in mind that your root causes may look different than someone else's, which is why, you know, for example, a certain elimination diet worked wonders for Sally, but for Philip or John, it makes them even worse. So it's important to keep that in mind, because a lot of times we throw the blame back on ourselves and saying, I didn't do this well enough. I wasn't persistent. You know, like we blame ourselves, not realizing that there were other factors at play here that complicated the picture, but also made it different. 

You can have eczema or psoriasis or D'Andra or rosacea for so many different reasons. 

Speaker 0 (19m 21s): Well, let's talk about those reasons. Let's talk about eczema. Oh my gosh. I work still part-time as an urgent care physician, which is a small emergency room here in New Zealand and oh my gosh, the amount of eczema, the amount of eczema and the, the only thing that GPS know how to do is to give steroids and an <inaudible> mild yet say that a couple of times, but you know, in the form of cream, tell me, you know, I know I can't do it in a 15 minute consultation in the urgent care, but what is the, what, what do you do for eczema? 

Speaker 1 (20m 5s): Well, so, so here's the thing, the, and this is an important point for anybody listening. Cause I don't want someone to feel left out cause they're like, yeah, but I have hives. I've chronic hives. So I work with all these different conditions and I, I figured out I've done a lot of work for everyone listening. And actually there's a lot of overlapping, very similar root causes for all of them. It just depends on what your combination is. And I think there are some genetic factors and there can obviously be other, like some people say, why did I get eczema versus my sister has psoriasis. 

And I'm like, I wish I had the answer for that. I don't know. I don't know why exactly your inflammation manifests in one particular way versus your friend or your ex-boyfriend or whomever why shows up? I don't know, but there are 16 root causes that at least I found, so there can be, and I'll run through them real fast. There's microbiome, dysbiosis, which can happen in the skin and the gut. Also you can have hidden infections as well, like parasites, which move around can some can move around the body. 

So microbiome imbalances, so to speak, 

Speaker 0 (21m 11s): Even parasites in the skin like scabies. 

Speaker 1 (21m 15s): Oh yeah. And you can also have demo decks mites as well. Like demo decks. Mites can be a root cause for rosacea as well as eczema. So that's something to consider that can be, that's something you should get investigated for. Got dysfunction is a problem. So either like you could have like diarrhea, constipation, not producing enough stomach acid, not having enough digestive enzymes. So digestive dysfunction is a crucial piece to this. There's usually some of that. 

There can be, there can be diet and food reactions, but those are one of 16. I think a lot of people put way too much emphasis on those. I do think eating and figuring out what type of diet works best for you is really, really crucial. But oftentimes we overemphasize that thinking and wishing that it was just someone food in our diet that would magically go away. Guess what? You can't eat away. Each pylori, you can't eat away a Paris height. Like you have to deal with those. I think we do a lot of wishful thinking because all of the functional medicine books fixate around diet as a solution. 

And I think to some degree, we've actually misled people into thinking that greater eliminations will equal greater health. And I agree, and it actually causes a lot of disordered eating, unfortunately. So, so, so diet and food reactions, you can also develop nutrient deficiencies. You can have liver detoxification challenges. What that means is looking at phase two, liver detox, not doing a liver detox, but supporting phase two liver detox. So having challenges around that 

Speaker 0 (22m 51s): Trauma, 

Speaker 1 (22m 52s): Unmanaged stress, there can obviously be genetic implications, which I've mentioned, wait, can we stop have second floor? 

Speaker 0 (23m 1s): Oh my gosh, I see so many people that are so stressed out and you know, I see their skin just erupt. And I'm thinking, I always ask them who getting under your skin. And immediately they're like, oh, I know exactly who it is, you know? And you have to kind of like forgive them. So that stress really is important. 

Speaker 1 (23m 22s): Totally. And there is a lot of research out there also to linking past traumas with current, like you could have a, there was an article I read the reporter. Her father had died on the opera room operating table when she was like 10 or something like that. And then fast forward, she had all of, you know, eczema and all these other health conditions. And when she started actually dealing with the past trauma, cause she never really processed, I guess what happened to her father? She started to see a resolution. So, so trauma. 

Absolutely. And stress is a huge factor because stress, stress impacts our GI track because of the Vegas nerve. So yes, you do have two brains, you have money. And then the genetic piece, if people want to look up something specific filaggrin is the protein that's made by a gene called pro filaggrin. And the critical piece to this is filaggrin is basically like the mortar mix that goes in between the cells of the skin that helps us have that water retention or moisture retention in the skin. 

But we know is, cause everybody goes, wait, do I have to get tested? Do I have to find out if I have a snip in this thing, that's just malfunctioning. And I asked Dr. Peter LIO, that exact question. He's like, no, most of the time people's full pro filaggrin gene becomes dysregulated or a Purdue essentially produces poor filaggrin because of inflammation. So internal inflammation causes poor filaggrin protein. And then you have like leaky, leaky skin barrier. And then by rate dysfunction, hormonal imbalances. 

So like estrogen dominance, blood sugar issues, you can have auto-immunity drug reactions. So drug reactions, like there are certain, I think beta blockers are one. And I know like lithium is another one that can actually so many and then mitochondrial dysfunction. So the little power plants of yourselves have difficulty producing energy, the energy currency of the body to make things go and happen. Heavy metal exposure, environmental toxins, and environmental allergies, things like pollen, chemicals, dander, and, and included in the environmental toxins. 

I also wanted to make sure to throw in there mycotoxins as well from mine, 

Speaker 0 (25m 42s): Geico toxins, all my gosh. Huge, huge. Yep. You don't even 

Speaker 1 (25m 50s): Get me started on that. It isn't big topic. Yes. So 16 

Speaker 0 (25m 56s): Root causes. I think I got them all, but thank you so much. And yes, it's so important for us to remember that your brain and your gut are there one, they live together. They're a happy family because of the Vegas nerve. 

Speaker 1 (26m 9s): Yes. And Dr. Has about, I just want to say too, and this is really important for everyone who's listening to this. I don't want someone to freak out and go, oh my gosh, calling all women. 

Speaker 0 (26m 20s): Are you feeling depressed? Lack of energy, anxious. You're thinking is foggy, poor sleep, or maybe even hopeless. You know, there is a better you to present to this world. Hey, it's me, Dr. Isabel. And wow. If any of this sounds like you, hi, get you. I have been in this place and I've overcome those negative feelings. That's why I've created the free and private Facebook group called the bossy brain solution. 

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And I encourage you to remain on stoppable. And now back to the podcast, 

Speaker 1 (27m 37s): Are you saying that I have all of these because that's a lot 16. No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying. I said, most people have some unique combination, maybe 3, 4, 5, sometimes six. And so you have to ascertain what your unique combo is. So that explains why, when I was saying before, how Sally got better doing this, but Philip did not get any better. And in fact, he got worse. Like I've had some clients who've gotten way worse doing whole 30. 

Who've gotten way worse doing AIP, whereas other people thrive and feel a lot better. So you can't assume that what worked for one person, that's the way we're wired, but like, oh my gosh, what did you do that you better let me do that. And then you become really disappointed and disenchanted and frustrated. And some people are at a point where they're close to giving up hope, where they feel like they're just doomed. And like maybe, you know, I used to think, I kid you not. I used to think that somebody put the evil eye on me. Cause I was like, I don't understand. 

I'm gluten-free, dairy-free egg-free I mean, you know, I, I have all organic stuff. I have healthy cleaning products. I D I'm doing all the things. Why would I have eczema? Like how could this have possibly happened? And I didn't really, because this is what isn't talked about in integrative medicine, as much now, even the information that's taught from my understanding and IFM is very limited on skin issues. And so I'm not like going to say that I'm the end all be all. 

I'm the note. I have a lot of other colleagues that I communicate with on a regular basis. And we work on a lot of skin cases and we're constantly sharing because we want to see things change. 

Speaker 0 (29m 21s): I wanted to ask you, what was it for you? What was the thing for you? For 

Speaker 1 (29m 26s): Me, it would have been gut dysfunction. I actually, so a couple years ago I had a resurgence of eczema and I did a stool test. Finally, I'd never done a stool test before. And it turned out that I had two bacterial in my gut for Citrobacter and Enterobacter. And so I ended up, I did, I made the choice, an informed decision. I chose to do antibiotics because I can't swallow pills. So those was kind of limited on what I could take. 

And I've never had a resurgence of eczema sense. So I do think that it's crucial, right? I could have gone down a million other routes of trying the, you know, there's the eczema diet, and then this diet and the low salicylates like it wasn't that I wasn't going to eat my way out of those infections. So that's why I say it's really crucial that you start to put the pieces together. I have a whole booklet on my website. It's called the skin rash root cause finder. And I actually list out the 16 root causes. 

And then you can go through and check off all the different signs. Like they all go through and look for in a client. So you can start to identify what your combo is, because I just hate when people like I'm like, this is awful. This is a living hell to go through life, living like this. And if, if you can get more honed in on where you need to focus, rather than just hoping some, some, a new elimination of food is going to fix you, you save time and you get your, my hope is to shorten that timeframe that you're suffering. 

Because frankly, you don't get the time back. I 

Speaker 0 (31m 2s): Know, I agree. And I wanted to point out two things. One is when you said the 16 root causes of skin issues, you're absolutely right. People, listeners, please make sure you understand exactly what Jennifer just said. You don't have to have all 16, but you can have a combination of two, three that just need to be worked on, you know, and then you're free. Then, then you've been set free. So just know we just know as clinicians, okay. 

It's 16, but there's, whatever it is, you're a special recipe and it's personalized healthcare. And that's why we just need to figure out which one of the 16 or two or three or four. I don't know. You know, like for instance, just a little sidetrack. I I've been trained by my husband and I have been trained by Dr. Dale Bredesen to help reverse Alzheimer's yes, reverse Alzheimer's and reverse dementia. He was written a book called the end of Alzheimer's back in 2017 or 2018. 

And he's trained up to 1500 doctors around the world to help reverse this. Now, when people come to me, there's like six different ways. You can get Alzheimers and some have all six and some have two, some have just one. So everybody has a different recipe. And I love what you just said. Please know, it's not all 16. And then another thing that you said is you got your stool tested. Well, that's not inexpensive. 

I know that's expensive. That's an expensive test. But the point is how, how much does your time cost? You just saved a heap of time and frustration. So I always say, test don't guess spend the time and the money doing what you just did. So Bravo. 

Speaker 1 (32m 56s): Yeah. And I, I just want to add to that too, Dr. Isabel, that you know, so many people, I always say, look, if you have to save up for the test, it's fine. You know, save up, see what you can do. You don't have to do everything today. You know, it's okay. Like there's labs that you can ask your conventional doctor for. That can be extremely helpful. They're not going to get you a hundred percent there, but you do need that information too. And if you can go through your insurance to get that information, that does help a lot financially. 

But I agree. It can be tricky because for example, someone who has more of a presentation of like histamine overload, so that can happen with chronic hives. For sure. If you have hives and you don't know why you're having them, you're chronic, you're your histamine overload right there. There's also like a subset of eczema cases that are also histamine overload, a small fry, small, small, small fraction of psoriasis cases also have this histamine overload piece. And so basically what it is is your body has way too much histamine. It can't tolerate a whole lot. 

So maybe you're triggered by the Paulin from outside. You're triggered by dust. So we have a lot of dust in your environment. You do the best you can, but it is what it is. You have oral allergy syndrome. So you're reacting also to food. And because your body's confused, it thinks the skin, the, the, the proteins in the skin look a lot like Birch or her ragweed or something, or you're using, for example, with ragweed, I mentioned that you're using steady as your sweetener. It's actually in the ragweed family. 

So if you're allergic to ragweed, you shouldn't do Stevia, nor should you do. By the way, for those where like I'm doing, I'm doing a liver detox, you can't do dandelion root. You can't do Burdoch. You can't do milk this all because they are in the ragweed family. And so, because we take those herbs raw, you can't do them. Your body thinks it's ragweed. So this is where you have to be really careful for some individuals, a low histamine diet can be helpful to help manage the system, but for a while, and get you more comfortable in usually in conjunction with some sort of antihistamine, usually quercetin and nettles is not enough to like, do the trick. 

So a lot of my clients do need medication to help with this because they're so ungodly itchy. 

Speaker 0 (35m 16s): Yes, mine too. Yeah. Yeah. 

Speaker 1 (35m 19s): You have to look in the GI tract because H pylori, which is an infection, a very common infection in the stomach contributes to this at de stabilizes mass cells. You can have certain bacteria in your GI tract, as well as certain parasites that actually release and generate histamine on their own. So there's certain clubs, yellow strains, there's Morgan, Ella species that produce histamines and a lot of histamines by the way, then there's different parasites too. And parasites in and of themselves can cause destabilization. There's one, there's a bunch of really interesting research that I've looked at showing that parasitic infections can actually increase your total IgE, which is a sound marker by like something like 40%. 

And so if you're allergic, like I have a client who's allergic to nuts, but she hasn't been around nuts for like 10, 11 years. So why is her total IgE still through the roof? If she's not around nuts, you're not eating nuts. Right? Why she parasites? That's why, so this is again like why you can't say, well, I'm just going to die at my way out of it. A lot of times we have underlying issues. You can get parasites in the United States, despite yes. Say, and you don't, this is also another really crucial point. 

You don't have to have diarrhea. You don't have to have any gut symptoms. Unfortunately, to have parasites, I work with a lot of people who like poop, like a champ have no GI symptoms, but it shows up on their skin. And when they come back, they actually test positive for certain parasites, like blasto, D fragility, et cetera. And it just, I don't know why I wish I had an answer. It just does not show up in disrupting of the GI track. It only shows up on their skin. 

So don't wait, don't go. Well, I don't have any pooping problems. I poop one to three times a day. I don't have any of these issues. It doesn't matter. You could have something lingering under the system. Like I did, I didn't have diarrhea or constipation, but I had two bacterial infections. It just was showing up on my skin. So, 

Speaker 0 (37m 27s): And your gut, and it was your gut. So like your gut is so huge. Would you agree that people just need to focus on their gut for first, first? 

Speaker 1 (37m 35s): I think it's a part of it. I always tell people the first two areas you want to focus on our gut function. So writing the ship if you're not there, right? So if you're constipated, you want to move toward pooping one to three times a day, a healthy berms stool, not too hard, not too soft. If you're have diarrhea, we want to try and firm up the stool. We want to support digestion as best as possible. Identify if H pylori is present, because that can actually hijack the stomach and cl and deactivate stomach acid. And then from there support your phase two liver detox. 

And we can do that by supplementing. Believe it or not with glycine powder. Glycine is an amino acid. That is yes. It's found in collagen and other things, but it's usually not an high enough concentration to really help. So I'm just like, just get glycine powder. And you could try anywhere from three to five grams, one to two times a day. I know it sounds like a lot, but it's actually not. And then sometimes people can also benefit from a little bit of B6, vitamin B6. 

Speaker 0 (38m 38s): Yes. Under 150 milligrams a day. Yes. 

Speaker 1 (38m 42s): I always say it's best. Like I always say, look around 10 milligrams, and then you talk with your practitioner about what's an appropriate dosage for you because you can overdo it. There can be toxicity issues, right? Yes. 

Speaker 0 (38m 55s): And the toxicity just so everybody knows is numbness in your fingers and your toes. So that's way too much don't overdo it. 

Speaker 1 (39m 3s): Yeah. So be cautious. Talk with someone about what your appropriate range should be based off of all your, in what you're intaking from all your supplements, as well as from food. And then from there also sometimes B five, vitamin B five can sometimes be helpful, but I would focus on glycine first, then test out a little bit of B6. Usually if you're taking a multi there's some usually be six in there. So look there first and then support those two areas, the liver and gut function, and then start working through some of these other things. 

That's like the base of my pyramid is those two areas. 

Speaker 0 (39m 39s): I love it. I love, Hey, and that's the way people can start winning right away as those last three, three tips, the, the glycine powder for liver step to detox, three to five grams, two to three times a day. Yes, the vitamin B six, 10 milligrams or more, but definitely less than I always like to keep it between 10 to 50 milligrams. That's pretty much why, why the B6, 

Speaker 1 (40m 6s): So B6 is really supportive of, so we have three markers. So we have homocysteine, which is usually not run in people who are under 65 because doctors use it conventionally as a marker for cardiovascular risk. So unless you have some, you've had a cardiovascular event, they're probably not going to run it, but it's a really great marker to know from a functional standpoint, if you have sufficient B6 in your system, because B6 is required to get homocysteine, to keep moving in the methylation cycle or to eventually produce glutathione through, through transsulfuration pathway, but also on your comprehensive metabolic panel, which a lot of people can get, or they can get like a liver enzyme panel, your a L T and your AST enzymes require B6 in order to function. 

And so if they're high or they're like getting close to high, it probably means you need B6 in your system. So it's just very helpful. It's also really great because the, the glycine path rate, which glycine is required for needs B six to help make some of the conversions and B six is really important for some hormonal conversions. So B6 is, are really important. It's a really important nutrient, but it's difficult to get a sufficient amount if you are really struggling from food, like it's not there's there's. 

I did look there's really no great, like amazing source of B6 that you could get these higher doses of unfortunately, not even from figs. No, no, but the, the other thing too is this is, and this is the connection between the two with the gut. So when gut dysbiosis, if you have an imbalance in the gut, okay. The waste products from the bugs in the GI tract go to the liver and they get processed down the glycine pathway. 

Plus you also have exposure to pesticides, solvents, plastics, all sorts of stuff, all processed down the glycine pathway. So when you have this dysbiosis or imbalance in the GI tract, it's this huge extra burden. And so we don't make glycine. We don't really, we don't make B6 either. And this is where people get confused. Like I eat a really great diet. It doesn't matter. You can end up with nutrient depletions, regardless of how good of a diet you eat, because we're not what we eat. We are what we absorb. 

And so if you have these extra burdens that you might not quite be aware of, like I was saying, how I had these two hidden infections that eats up your supplies and you end up like going well, geez. I don't understand why my liquid panel is high and I've high cholesterol, all of a sudden, and now I've got these high liver enzymes. I'm not sure what's going on with my liver, where your liver is overwhelmed. It's trying to deal with these waste products. And he's getting really, it's really struggling. So that's where I found that the liver support is crucial first, before you even deal with what's living in the guts. 

So that way, when you do start that process, your liver can handle it. It's dealing with the backlog and then ready to deal with things. When you're diving into 

Speaker 0 (43m 21s): Hanging out there. Oh, Bravo, Bravo. I love what you said. And yes, we, aren't what we eat. We actually are what we have in the store. And so many of us have leaky gut, which I know we could talk another podcast about. And I, I just, yeah, the liver, gosh, the liver. I always, you know, people are like, what's the big deal. Oh, first of all, please, I'm Isabelle to you. Okay. You don't have to call me doctor's wife. I didn't want it. I didn't want to interrupt you in the middle of all the times, but 

Speaker 1 (43m 53s): Because of my dad, like I'm so used to, 

Speaker 0 (43m 56s): But I'm Isabelle. Okay. Okay. Sounds great. All right, cool. About the liver. People always go, oh, what's the big deal about the lever? And I go, your liver is like a toilet system. Imagine an overt, imagine your toilet system backing up and all that junk going back into your bloodstream. You think that's a good thing. Do you think all that poop going back into your bloodstream? So you want to love your liver big. 

Speaker 1 (44m 29s): Yeah. And also too, constipation's another problem because actually phase three. So we actually poop out certain things that are moved through bile into our GI tract, like deactivated, estrogen, and other toxins. And so if you are constipated, they stay in your colon even longer than they're supposed to. And they end up reabsorbed. So it is, that's why I put, I paired the two of gut function and liver specifically phase two liver detox issues together. And then also to, just to, to kind of like put a little bow on the liver detox issue, like people with psoriasis really have to be careful because they have, there is this connection with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. 

It's really common that the longer you have psoriasis and the worse it gets that your liver will really start to take a hit. So it is crucial, especially if you have psoriasis, you should be getting your liver enzymes checked. And if they are high, I would highly recommend also asking your doctor to run the GGT lab, because that is just a little bit more of a peak of what's going on in the liver. And I think it's just, it's super crucial to realize that the systems work together, they don't work separate from one another. 

And so when we assume that we're just like parts of the body like separated, but I don't even know what I'm like. No, we're all one system. It's all one universe. So they ha they work together. And when there's a problem, one place it's going to cause problems elsewhere. So we got up, we got to cast a wide net, figure out what's generally going on and then start to hone in and do that in an efficient manner that helps refill the Wells helps to support each system as best it can so that we can, can hopefully get back to a better balance in life. 

Am I making any promises or guarantees that your rashes are going to immediately disappear? No rashes take longer than gut problems too. So if like you just like, I had diarrhea a lot when I was growing up, that's easier to get rid of a lot of times are constipation than it is the skin issues, the skin issues. When you decide to go the integrative route, they can take exceedingly longer to go away. So I think it's important to manage people's expectations of that, that you're looking at sometimes six months, eight months a year, sometimes a year and a half, because it's just, it's the, it's not the most important system. 

Your skin is just unfair. Like you can walk around with really damaged skin and still be alive. But if there's a problem with your heart or your lungs or your kidneys, you're going to have a problem. Right? So we have to address the other systems first and that's why it takes longer. And so I think that's, what's really important. So people can manage their own expectations and not go, oh, why am I, why am I not better in two weeks? If you want the soup, right? If you want the super highway, you're looking at drugs, like that's just how it goes. That's a super highway to clear. We'll put that in quotes, clearing symptoms, right? 

We're masking them. We're something to make them go away. But when you go the integrative route, it does take longer. And that's where, depending on the level of suffering that you are experiencing, and that's really crucial here, there's no judgment. You should make the decision. That's best for you. Like if you're a mom and you can't sleep through the night and you can't be a good mom to your kids and your family, that's not good. So maybe in that instance, some medication might be helpful to get, allow you to get more rest because sleep is important. When you work on all these other things, you can certainly do them in tandem and you should never feel any shame at all for having to utilize the tools that are best for your particular situation. 

So I hope that's helpful. 

Speaker 0 (48m 11s): So helpful. You've helped me. I've got pages and I've got like two pages of notes here. This is fantastic. Thank you so much. Now I'm going to go ahead and land this plane for our listeners and for you, because you're probably getting tired of talking. 

Speaker 1 (48m 26s): Never, never. That's why I have over 200 episodes. I have so much to talk about. So keep somebody's interests. They can go and check it out. I even have a search tool. So you can go and just type in your particular skin issue or like licorice or topical steroids or whatever you want to put in, strap, whatever. And it'll pop up with different episodes that are specific to your condition and what's going on. So 

Speaker 0 (48m 55s): Tell us where people can find you, what are you doing? What's next? Yes, the floor is yours again. 

Speaker 1 (49m 3s): So I have the healthy skin show podcast it's available on every podcast platform worldwide. And as I said, over 200 episodes at this point in time from there, I'm on Instagram at Jennifer, Fugo my full name. I also have my website skin to re-up dot com. But if you can't spell that, don't worry, just type in healthy skin and it will take you there anyway. And, and then I also, for anybody who does need more help, as I said, I do have a private practice. 

I work with clients worldwide and I support them. If they're just like, I can't figure this out and I need more help. Or I sometimes will refer people to other clinicians if their case is just like children, I don't work with children and babies. So I refer them out to somebody else who specifically just deals with those. So if you're looking for help, you know, you're more than welcome to check out what we do. 

Speaker 0 (49m 57s): And what about your skincare range? 

Speaker 1 (49m 60s): Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. I got your back girl. I got your back. So yeah. So you can find, I have a small line of supplements and skincare that's [email protected] And so we have two ounce, two ounce skincare creams, and the number one most popular one is busy plus rebuilder it actually has zinc in it, which can be really helpful in supporting the barrier and getting the skin to just kind of calm down and not be as, as angry and whatnot. 

And then we have a daily butter and the nourish butter and, and then some other supplements that are specific for skin issues that I have recommended unused with my clients for specifically for skin issues. So that's the, that's where you can find me. Well, 

Speaker 0 (50m 50s): Quell Don't worry, everybody, all of this will be in the show notes. So you don't have to have memorized all this stuff. I wanted to ask you. Do you, do you ship out of America or do you 

Speaker 1 (51m 5s): Just right now, it's just the us. We're still working on it. We launched the store, I guess, about eight months ago. So we're still like sorting that out. We haven't had the chance because we've been so busy and it's also been hard because of COVID to keep things in stock because it's, sometimes it's not just the ingredients. Sometimes it's the containers or a seal in the container and it takes us a while to get restocked. So we've been really, we've just been doing us only right now, but eventually our plan is to open up for Canada and worldwide 

Speaker 0 (51m 40s): Shipping. Great. And just private consult. How would they find you on private consult? So I've can put that in there. Absolutely. 

Speaker 1 (51m 47s): Yes. You can go to skin repair,, but it's also on my website as well under get help. 

Speaker 0 (51m 57s): So skin repair, Yes. Okay. Sweet. Oh, Jennifer, you have helped smelly ins of people. I know that this has served an added value to millions of people. That's just my vision for your talk today. Thank you so much. 

Speaker 1 (52m 13s): Well, thank you so much, so much for inviting me on the show and being willing to share this type of information to help people and just know that if you're really struggling right now, you're not alone. There are many people out there on the same journey as you and Isabelle and her husband are working too. You know, we're all working together. Really. It's all about sharing what we discover and find to help remind ourselves and each other that there is hope that is possible. And we just have to keep every day, baby steps, one foot in front of the other. 

I do believe that it is possible for anybody. So I just thank you so much for the opportunity to be here with all of you. 

Speaker 2 (52m 56s): Pleasure and thank you listeners for joining us for the MD and chef team here coming live to you from New Zealand. And before we go, I say this to Jennifer and I say this to all of you remain on stoppable. Love you guys. Bye bye. 

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