🔷 In this Episode of the MD and Chef Team Show, Dr. Isabel MD chats with Lyn Delmastro-Thomsonan, and we learn her journey as a young woman searching for answers about her medical condition.
Hang on for the ride, as I can tell you, I was very impressed with Lyn and her determination to "Get to the Correct Answers!"
✅ Lyn was mis-diagnosed with leukemia when she was 25 and spent 3 years being treated for the wrong thing. During that time, she started exploring alternative approaches to healing because doctors weren't listening to her and she was getting worse. Those approaches changed my health and along with getting the correct diagnosis in 2007, helped Lyn to recover her health.
✅ Lyn Delmastro-Thomson is now a mind-body medicine practitioner, using the healing systems of BodyTalk and Body Intuitive. She is also a speaker and author of the Amazon Best Seller, You Are Not Your Diagnosis. Lyn holds a master’s degree in somatic psychology and has completed additional specialized training in biofeedback, therapeutic yoga, and Reiki.
➥ More about Lyn, here is her website; https://heartfirehealingllc.com/welcome/
➥ Lyn's Free guide of How to Stop Feeling Frustrated by Your Symptoms: https://heartfirehealingllc.com/stop-feeling-frustrated-by-your-symptoms/
➥ Life isn't meant to just be lived managing symptoms and just "surviving."
We are meant to THRIVE.
For Lyn's Introductory session: https://app.squarespacescheduling.com/schedule.php?owner=22343850&appointmentType=23375853
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Speaker 0 (0s): Coming up on this episode of the MD and shift team show hematologist, what did he diagnose you with?
Speaker 1 (11s): Polycythaemia Vera.
Speaker 0 (13s): Wow. That's a big difference from CML. Yes, you wouldn't. You would know. Holy moly. Polycythaemia Vera. Oh, okay. So what's the treatment for that? Tell us the treatment for that. So
Speaker 1 (29s): Different medication, which was more tolerated for my body. And then I also got therapeutic phlebotomy is where they just tape off blood basically and throw it away because my blood is too thick.
Speaker 2 (44s): Welcome to the show from the chef team. I'm Dr. Isabel medical doctor here at the MD and chef team. And who are you? I'm chef Michael Coleman. Nutrition experts. I'm Michelle chef, the kid. And what are we going to talk about bed? Now? I can see that cause he's my husband. We'll be talking about marriage relationships, parenting intimacy. Talk about mindsets of success. Overcoming depression, anxiety. I'll be getting into functional nutrition, recipes and tips from the kitchen.
And we're going to both get into how to live a long, healthy, vibrant way. Yes. I love it. Our mission is to help you prevent and reverse disease and give you both in the process. Oh yeah. We like to have fun.
Speaker 0 (1m 37s): Hello Lynn, how are you doing? I'm doing really well. How are you? Great. Where are you coming to us from?
Speaker 1 (1m 45s): I live just outside Portland, Oregon in a town called Oregon city. Good coffee in Oregon. Yes, definitely. West coast, Seattle and Portland. Good coffee.
Speaker 0 (1m 58s): Have you lived there all your life? I haven't.
Speaker 1 (2m 1s): I actually grew up in Idaho and then when I graduated from high school, I moved to Oregon to go to college and then I moved to California and then I came back to Oregon after I was done with grad school. So
Speaker 0 (2m 12s): You love it in Oregon. I do.
Speaker 1 (2m 15s): It's I love the ocean. I love all of the beautiful trees.
Speaker 0 (2m 19s): Now, are you closer to the ocean than, than any of the other cities I'm not familiar where Oregon city is?
Speaker 1 (2m 27s): We're about a little over an hour drive over to the ocean so far.
Speaker 0 (2m 33s): Good, good, great. Well, I, you know, as you know, I'm here in New Zealand. Yes. And I thought, how about if I introduce you to our listeners and we can share your story? Cause I love to hear your story. Is that okay? It's definitely awesome. Welcome everybody. I'm Dr. Isabel, your host at the MD and chef team. And today we have Linda Mastro Thompson all the way from Oregon United States of America, where I used to come from. But now, you know, Hey home is anywhere you live, right
Speaker 1 (3m 6s): Lynn? Yeah. Yes, totally. It looks absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 0 (3m 11s): Yeah. Frosty today, but that's okay. We're in winter, which is kind of crazy, isn't it? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (3m 17s): But it's always interesting the opposite, whether you know, the opposite time of the year with the hemispheres. Yeah, it is crazy.
Speaker 0 (3m 24s): Well, I'm just going to share a little bit about your story. Okay. And then you will take it from there. So Linda Mastro Del Mastro Thompson is a mind body medicine practitioner using the healing systems of BodyTalk and body intuitive. She's also a speaker and author of the Amazon bestseller strong work girl. You are not your diagnosis. Yes. So true. Lynn holds a master's degree in somatic psychology and has completed additional specialized training and biofeedback therapeutic yoga.
I'd love to learn more about that. And re-key or is it Rikea is it Reiki or Reiki? I think it's Reiki is how I've read. Oh, tomato, tomato, huh? Being diagnosed with leukemia at the age of 25. Oh, you've got to share more about that story a little bit. Okay. Cause that's so important. Lynn became passionate about sharing with the world. Her message that just because a doctor has said an illness is chronic or incurable doesn't mean that it has to be a life sentence and that Western medicine, isn't the only approach to healing.
Amen. When one explores other holistic options, true healing, rather than symptom management can occur through her. One-on-one work with our clients over the past 10 years, Lynn has helped hundreds of women reclaim their lives and help after receiving a life-changing health diagnosis. Many of our clients have been able to decrease or eliminate certain prescription medications. Yes. And of course you're doing that safely.
I know you're doing it safely as well. Increase their energy and stamina. Welcome Lynne. Thank you. I'm excited to be here. Thank you. Do you have your cup of tea? Do you drink
Speaker 1 (5m 22s): Coffee? I actually don't do your chatting to my coffee, but I, I have never been friends even since I was like young. I always very sensitive to it. So I'm sipping down. Some water is always good for us.
Speaker 0 (5m 37s): Yes. Always. I forgot my water this time. I was kind of like an a dash to get here. Okay. So can we, can I ask you, tell me what happened at 25?
Speaker 1 (5m 49s): Yeah, yeah, definitely. So I was kind of cruising along in life. I had gone to grad school to pursue a PhD history right after I graduated from college. And so I was kind of, I think, three years into that process when this all happened and I was scheduled for elective surgery one summer, I was supposed to have a breast reduction and did all of the process of, you know, the pre-op blood work and got all marked up the day before.
And the night before the surgery, I got this phone call, the phone call that, you know, you don't really want to get from your surgeon. And he said, I just looked at your pre-op blood work and something looks off and I started to panic and he said, you know, Hey, hold on a second. Why don't you just, you know, go back and get the labs run again because sometimes, you know, lab has steaks out mistakes happen, you know? And at 25 I had never really thought about that before, but you know, now I know it is definitely true.
And so I went back, they ran the labs again and I got the phone call again an hour later. And he said, yeah, it's not a lab error. There's something that doesn't look right. And basically I was left with the news. I can't do surgery and nothing really else. Other than your labs look up normal, go see your primary doctor as soon as you can get in. And that was of those just rabbit hole. You know, you can imagine just being told this news, we can't do surgery, but you don't know what's wrong in that moment.
And I think the next day I got, yeah, I think the next day it was, I got in to see my primary doctor and he ran more labs and you know, just all of these different tests and you know, nobody was telling me much of anything at that point, other than we're just trying to figure out what's going on. The next thing I know, like maybe a day or two later, I get a phone call from a doctor who I've never met. And he said, you know, Hey, how are you doing? And I'm like, I'm freaked out because I don't know who you are and why you're calling me.
And that's not a normal thing to have a doctor you don't know, just call, you know, it's not. And he said, well, you know, do you have any, you feeling any symptoms of anything? And at this point I'm like, I don't even know what I'm supposed to be looking for because nobody's telling me anything. And he said, and I was so shocked at this point. I didn't ask that question like, well, what kind of symptoms doctor, you know, what should I be worried about here? And he said, well, if you don't feel anything tonight, you know, stay home and meet me tomorrow morning at the hospital, the local hospital.
And I was like, okay, this is really strange. And I show up the next morning at the hospital after I don't even know how I managed to sleep that night. I don't either, you know, just kind of with this, not knowing anything other than he said, he was a gastroenterologist. So I'm like, I kinda know what that is, you know, that it has to do with my digestive system or, you know, something like that. And he said, well, you know, we think that you've clotted off the veins that drain your liver.
That's what it seems to point to through in all of these lab tests. And I go, that's not supposed to happen. Right. And he said, we need to figure out why. And so he sent in a hematologist to try and figure out, you know, what was going on, why I would have clotted off these veins that drain my liver. And I went through a whole bunch of tasks I had to have, well, they attempted a bone marrow biopsy and
Speaker 0 (9m 30s): Yes, I've heard they're very painful. And
Speaker 1 (9m 33s): You know, and this was just another part of the whole experience was so horrific because the doctor who performed it told me all I was going to feel was supper pressure. And he just gave me a local injection and I, I couldn't even tolerate it. Like I was just in too much excruciating pain in that moment. And he had to stop because I was just, you know, screaming basically from the pain. And so, you know, fast forward through all of this of, you know, I'm in this hospital, they, they figure out that I've clotted off these veins.
And the next step is also to figure out, well, how do we get these open? Because this is not good. Like my belly actually at this point started to swell up and I had a bunch of, society's a bunch of fluid in my belly. So I started to look like a pregnant woman, even though I was not pregnant, not fair, not fair now. And so they sent me to a different hospital because they said, you know, we think we know what needs to happen here. We need to, you know, balloon open these veins, but we've never done it. This is a smaller hospital.
So we want to send you somewhere where they've done this before.
Speaker 0 (10m 42s): Yay. I don't want to be
Speaker 1 (10m 47s): Your Guinea pig. And I got transferred to a different medical center in a different city in California and went through more diagnostic tests, another bone marrow biopsy, which they managed to actually successfully do. And then finally, I think this was probably about two weeks into this whole journey. They came the team leader, the doctor came in and said, you know, we, we have a diagnosis for you. And he said, we believe this is chronic myelogenous leukemia.
And just terrifying, you know, to hear those words, like the word leukemia. And nobody wants to hear that from a doctor's mouth.
Speaker 0 (11m 28s): No.
Speaker 1 (11m 30s): So heard that news. And then immediately my mind started to race. I still remember the thought process of like, do I, am I going to need chemo? Like, what does this mean? Do I have to have like a bone marrow transplant? Like all of the things that you can kind of have heard that relate to leukemia, you start kind of down that rabbit hole mentally. And he S he quickly said, no, you're not going to have to do those particular things. We're going to give you this medication. That's like a newer medication that targets what they believe is the genetic abnormality that causes CML.
And so you don't have to do chemo. We're not going to do a bone marrow transplant on you. And that was kind of where it was left. You know, that, that night of like, you're going to get to go home. We're gonna send you home from the hospital. You'll go back to the town where you live, and the doctor will follow you, who saw you in the hospital? And I was like, oh, great. This guy who told me, I was only going to feel some pain or a little bit of pressure, you know, when, when he tried to do a bone marrow biopsy, he's now my doctor.
Speaker 0 (12m 33s): Mm. Right. He's the specialist.
Speaker 1 (12m 36s): He was the specialist. And, you know, he was quite familiar with my case, even though I was like, would have preferred to see probably anybody else, because we did not have really an initial good history together.
Speaker 0 (12m 49s): I mean, you have to have a relationship, a good relationship with a doctor, if not, it just, it doesn't work. It
Speaker 1 (12m 57s): Doesn't. And that's one of the things that I definitely learned through this whole experience was just, you know, how crucial that is to have, you know, rapport and trust and be able to say, you know, what you need to say and be listened
Speaker 0 (13m 10s): To. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13m 13s): So I went on to be treated for that for three years. And I did not feel like I was improving. In fact, I felt like I was getting worse. I went from being kind of somebody who always held maybe a little excess weight to being somebody who was like a human skeleton. And yet every time I would go to see the hematologist and he would run a particular blood test, I don't even remember what it was for. But I think it was for kind of the genetic component of CML.
He said, oh, well, it looks great. The medication looks like it's working. And then he would say, how are you feeling? And I'd say, I feel terrible. Like, I, I feel like I'm just, you know, getting worse. And he would always say to me, well, you look great. I'll see him in a month or two. And it was like people on the street and friends, like people were saying, I didn't look great. I knew I didn't look great. It was just the biggest frustration to be dismissed when I said I don't feel well.
Speaker 0 (14m 15s): Yeah. It's a disconnect. Total disconnect. I'm sorry. I'm sorry for the medical system. I know. I know, like I know that space that he's in, you know, cause he's doing all he knows, but you're not feeling better, but the labs look good. I totally get that. And so I'm sorry that that happens. I'm
Speaker 1 (14m 38s): Really good. Yeah. Yeah. It's frustrating. When, and I hear this from clients too. I'm not being listened to when you say I don't feel well. Like it's like what? Look on paper. You look great. You know, and I kept actually in this time trying to get a referral to see a different hematologist because I was like, this is not working. Like we, we are not supposed to be, you know, matched together here. And I needed a referral from my primary doctor to do that.
And he kept saying, but you know, we went to medical school together. He's the best in town. And I'm like, this is seriously the best in town. You know? And I was kind of trapped in that for basically three years until I left my graduate school program and was able to get a job with health insurance, because that was like the big issue, you know, at the time in the U S going from having student health insurance to getting just regular insurance was not something I could do.
So I had to find a job that would give me insurance. So then I could leave the program, even though I knew for probably at least a year or two, I wanted to leave the program I was in. So it was the web of insurance. And, and, you know, as a primary doctor who, you know, really believed, and I know in his heart, he believed he was a good doctor, but it was again like that disconnect of not being listened to.
Speaker 0 (16m 5s): Yes. And that is a key, key point is make sure that your doctor is hearing you and if not go find another doctor you have that you have that power, you got to be the CEO of your health. So did you find a good doctor?
Speaker 1 (16m 19s): I did. Yeah. So once I left and I got new insurance and I got a new primary doctor who wasn't part of the student health system. And I said to her in my very first appointment, Hey, I don't like this hematologists. We're, we're not a good fit. Can you refer me to somebody else? And she said, sure, here, you know, pick out a piece of paper, wrote a referral to a different doctor. And in my first appointment with the new hematologist, I brought in a stack of records that must've been, you know, two inches thick and he starts flipping through them and he goes, I don't think you have CML.
I think, I think it's something else. I was like, what I had known, I think intuitively for three years was something was off. And I just wanted somebody to help me figure it out. And he helped me figure it out. And I believe he was part of, you know, had I continued down that path. I don't know. I might not still be alive. Well,
Speaker 0 (17m 15s): I applaud you for taking control girl. I mean, it takes a lot of courage and being bold and courageous to just go and do that. And so I applaud you for doing it.
Speaker 1 (17m 27s): Thank you. Yeah. It's one of the things that I've become so passionate about teaching other people too, because I think there's this impression, you know, that doctors are infallible or you know, that we don't make medical mistakes. And then if you do look up statistics of how frequently, you know, medical error happens, it's like, whoa, you know, it's not how we want. Think of things.
Speaker 0 (17m 51s): No. So, so what did, what did they die? So what did this new hematologist, what did he diagnose you with?
Speaker 1 (17m 57s): Polycythemia Vera.
Speaker 0 (17m 59s): Wow. That's a big difference from CML. Yes. He wouldn't, he would know holy moly. Polycythaemia Vera. Oh, okay. So what's the treatment for that? Tell us the treatment for that. So
Speaker 1 (18m 14s): Different medication, which was much more tolerated for my body. And then I also got therapeutic. Phlebotomies where they, you know, just take off blood basically and throw it away because my blood is too thick. And when I remember, you know, so clearly he said, I don't know how they came to this diagnosis because you know what, they had labeled the clotting off the liver, as they said, he said, this has never been correlated, you know, Budd Chiari was that diagnosis.
And he said, Budd, Chiari has never been correlated in anybody with CML, but it's often been correlated in people with Polycythaemia. Yeah. It was like, where did they come up with it? I don't
Speaker 0 (18m 58s): Know. I don't know. Just not sink, not thinking through the differential diagnosis, I guess.
Speaker 1 (19m 4s): Yeah. I think, you know, the best we could figure out after, you know, going through everything and actually going through trying to do a medical malpractice case, just for some accountability for what happened, the best we could figure out is maybe there was a lab error in one lab that they ran, whether it was somebody else's blood, whether they ran the test incorrectly, you know, swapped sample. And they based everything on one lab test, instead of all the other pieces that kind of pointed in a completely different direction.
Speaker 0 (19m 37s): And then what happened
Speaker 1 (19m 40s): Once I started getting that correct treatment, things definitely were improving. You know, things did improve for me some before then, because I already had started to say, well, if the doctors aren't going to help me, there's gotta be something else out there that can help me through this. And I already had become kind of empowered to say, I'm going to start doing things for myself. That helped me feel better. Yay.
Speaker 0 (20m 6s): I love it. I love that.
Speaker 1 (20m 9s): And that's, you know, I am definitely still not like anti-Western medicine. I think there's a role for it, but I think, you know, we have so many other things that are out there that can empower people to be more, you know, in charge of their health and to help support healing on deep levels.
Speaker 0 (20m 26s): Yes. And look, I'm, I'm all I'm in agreement with you as a medical doctor, trained in conventional medicine. There's great things about conventional medicine. And then there's great things about functional medicine and integrative medicine. And luckily by the grace of God, I'm able to integrate them and put them in together. But there's a lot of conventional medicine that doesn't to be happening. Like people need to be empowered to take control of their health. And that's why we're talking today because you did. And that's what, gosh, I just, I wish I could give what the magic, the pill that you took to become in control of your health.
I wish we could manufacture it and give it to everybody, you know, because it, it really helps, you know, to be in default, you have
Speaker 1 (21m 13s): To realize that, you know, that you are ultimately a key ingredient in the healing process and it's like delegating that authority or that knowledge to somebody else that doesn't work to really get the results of, you know, saying, oh, well you fix me. You know, you, you know, better than I know what my body needs. And it's like, no, that's not really true. We all have inner knowing of things that our bodies need, even if it's just a hint of that. And we follow it like a trail of breadcrumbs, you know, is that what happened to you?
I think that is, you know, looking back at it at first, I just, my journey started with I'm so anxious every day. Like, like with all of this, like my life was turned upside down. I need something that can help me with anxiety and stress. And so that was kind of where I started. Those were kind of the first little breadcrumbs on my trail of, I went back to biofeedback, which I had experienced when I was 12 and I got really bad migraines. And I remembered that, you know, when I was like, what can I do?
I'm so anxious. I feel just overwhelmed every day. It's hard to function while I kind of remember that thing that I did when I was 12, you know, maybe that can help me now. And then that kind of led me to, you know, other things and working with a therapist at one point about a year after my diagnosis. And right after my best friend actually passed away the year I was the year after I was diagnosed. So I had these like two huge life-changing events that shook up my world and I needed help to process that.
And she was, the therapist introduced me to this class that was called yoga for healing. And I was like, what? You want me to go to a yoga class? You know? Cause my, my mind, all I had ever seen before yoga was people in a gym doing, you know, pretzel yoga in my mind, you know, like doing headstands and I'm like, lady, you do know that I'm like really sick right now. And I don't have the energy or the stamina to do these things that I was picturing. And she said, no, Lynn, this is different.
Like just please trust me. Like, you're not going to experience what you're thinking. You're going to experience when you go to this class.
Speaker 0 (23m 33s): And so can you tell us a little bit about yoga for healing?
Speaker 1 (23m 37s): Yeah. So yoga for healing and, and kind of also labeled as therapeutic yoga was just, I think it was a key part of my journey in the class. A lot of the work was done just being on the floor. So sometimes you didn't even work up from, you know, being on your back or on your, your side, maybe a little bit of hands and knees work sometimes, you know, not really at all, working with a lot of props. So, you know, there was some inclusion of restorative yoga, which some people might be familiar with where you have props of like bolsters and blankets and you just lie in these positions and you relax and you just kind of like give your body the support of props underneath you.
And then, you know, with meditation and just doing some like gentle breathing and visualization, this class was just, I mean, it was amazing. It felt like this healing container that I finally stepped into that was just, you know, the teacher, I still think of her and, you know, send her love and gratitude because she was a part of my healing journey in such a big way. I learned that my body wasn't Beanna me in that class, it was like, oh, I started to say, Hey, I think my body is actually really trying its best.
You know, instead of saying it betrayed me, it failed me. My body's just, you know, I'm defective. It was like, oh, maybe that's not really true. Maybe it just did all that it possibly could. And now I need to do for it, what it needs.
Speaker 0 (25m 15s): I love it. Your body wants you to be well, it really, really, really does.
Speaker 1 (25m 25s): It does. Yeah. I think that's, you know, such a hard thing sometimes when you're in the midst of a health crisis to not feel betrayed or let down or like your body is, you know, miss malfunctioning or whatever. But the truth is it's like looking back at my own story. I think part of my story was I hadn't listened to my body for quite a while. And it had been trying to tell me for quite a while, some things I needed to know and I was like, Nope, not going to listen to you, not going to listen to you.
And it finally was like, okay, well then I'm just going to have to scream really loud until you actually go, oh, okay.
Speaker 0 (26m 7s): Okay. I hear you now. Yep.
Speaker 1 (26m 13s): Is that when I was struggling, you know, initially in grad school I was always like, well, grad, school's supposed to be hard. I'm supposed to be unhappy. I'm supposed to be stressed. Like all of these silly stories, but, and no beliefs that I bought into that, you know, I couldn't live a life where I was supposed to be happy. Pretty crazy.
Speaker 0 (26m 36s): It boggles my mind to think how we start thinking like this and then just continue to, to bring, to allow every thought we ponder on every thought. And if it's negative, we don't, we are not taught to kick out the bad thoughts. Like we don't have to, we don't want to have to think on every bad thought we can actually go. No, that's not what I believe. I believe this about myself. It's and that's what I love about your journey is you've done that. You've like, okay, I'm taking control.
I'm going to start changing the way I think. And, and you did and look at you now.
Speaker 1 (27m 10s): Yes. Yeah. And I fully believe, you know, our minds are just such a powerful ingredient in that healing journey. And I geek out on stuff like placebo studies, because when you think about it, it's like, wow, isn't that pretty amazing that, you know, people get as good or better results from just believing that they are getting something that's going to help them than actually taking something. It's the belief. Yes.
Speaker 0 (27m 36s): Belief believe <inaudible> that's right. So I'd like for you to talk to you, talk to us about epigenetics and how that affects our health.
Speaker 1 (27m 52s): Yeah, definitely. So I've become really fascinated with this topic of, you know, we've been for years and years told that diseases, you know, bad genes and it's like, all these things run in our families, you know, it's like, oh, if you got cancer in your family, well then you're probably going to get cancer. How empowering is that to keep hearing that message. So, you know, in the last, I think when did the human genome project start in like the 1950s,
Speaker 0 (28m 22s): 1960s.
Speaker 1 (28m 24s): Okay. So kind of like,
Speaker 0 (28m 27s): I think I forget off the top of my head. I know
Speaker 1 (28m 29s): That the human genome project that was more the nineties where they actually started to map out the G like sequencing genes. Cause one of my teachers actually worked on the human genome project. Yeah. I
Speaker 0 (28m 44s): Just said, you know, I studied molecular cellular, developmental biology and Boulder, Colorado is by pre-medical and that was in 1980s. And I remember we were already sequencing. We were already looking at the sequences and all that when I was like, wow, those guys are so sweet.
Speaker 1 (29m 1s): Yes it's. So, you know, amazing to be able to look at how, you know, how our bodies are made and how complex and
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Speaker 1 (30m 28s): And so, you know, this understanding of epigenetics is more about rather than, you know, your genes themselves, your DNA being what's defective. It's like how our genes are turning on and off. So I always think of epigenetics. It's kind of like the recipe book analogy works for me really well to kind of understand a complex idea. So, you know, if you think of your DNA and every single cell in your body has the same DNA, right. But how does like your, how do your muscles know what part of that code that they need versus like maybe your liver needs a different part of that code?
And the answer is, you know, there's these markers on our genes that let us see the recipe, so to speak or not see the recipe if it's not needed. And so that's what they started to understand, you know, with doing this, the human genome project, you know, I think they thought there were going to be like billions and billions of, you know, pieces of genes. And actually it's, it's much smaller than what they thought. So it's like, how does this all work? Cause we're, he, you know, humans are complex.
And with this understanding of, you know, turning genes on turning genes off, then they started to realize, oh, well what makes these, these recipes sometimes get baked in correctly, so to speak. And that's really has more to do with, you know, our lifestyle factors, our environment. So, you know, we can look at the role of toxin exposures and how that affects what's going on with our genes. We can look at what we're eating. That's such a huge one. You know, that we have a lot of control over what are we doing with our bodies?
Are we sitting all day or are we making time to move our bodies and exercise the role of trauma, the role of our beliefs. So like all of these things that are much more in our control, I mean, toxins, there's some components we can't completely eliminate, you know, there's toxins in the air that as individuals, we can't be like, goodbye. You don't exist anymore.
Speaker 0 (32m 31s): I wish I wish I wish
Speaker 1 (32m 34s): Magic wand, but you know, we can choose not, you know, buy a bunch of toxic cleaning products and use those in our house. You know, we can make better choices that will affect what's happening with our genes. And really it's. I think Bruce Lipton likes to say, it's only 1% of all diseases caused by the actual genes themselves. And the rest of it is all this, this lifestyle piece that
Speaker 0 (33m 2s): One of the big lifestyle pieces that we're seeing around the world right now is type two diabetes. I mean, so many people have the gene for type two diabetes and they're expressing it because of the lifestyle choices they're making. But if they did, if they didn't, you know, it's kind of like a stamp on the, on the, on the DNA. Oh, okay. Yup. Now I'm going to start, you're doing this. Well, then I'm going to start giving you type two diabetes. But if you don't do this and take it away, then that gene isn't expressed.
Exactly. And you don't, don't have to have type two diabetes. You can actually reverse it.
Speaker 1 (33m 38s): Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I mean, that's one of the things that's so frustrating too, is sometimes, you know, most doctors don't talk about that. It's like, oh, well you just need this medication. Now you have type two diabetes and it's not like, well, if you actually change what you're eating and you change how you're moving your body, you know, I know plenty of people who have reversed it and don't need a pill to control the, the problem.
Speaker 0 (34m 6s): I've had patients that have reversed type two diabetes in two weeks and gotten off all their insulin too. That's awesome. But that's their choice. They took that magic pill that you took, right?
Speaker 1 (34m 20s): Exactly. I make the choices of what I do with my body. I choose what I put into my mouth to eat. I choose how I move my body and not just, oh, I choose to take this pill that kind of puts me, you know, in the passenger seat, just going along. Okay. I got type two diabetes. Now, you know, this is, this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 0 (34m 43s): And that's an easy seat to be in for people. It takes work. It takes work to take control. I wanted to ask you, talk to me about a few simple things that we can do to take back our health.
Speaker 1 (35m 1s): Yeah, definitely. So it really kind of rolls right into what we're talking about. You know, the first one, just thinking about these different lifestyle factors that we have control over. So, you know, thinking about the food that you eat. One of my favorite people to listen to these days is Shawn Stevenson. He has a great podcast that I love. And he says, remember, every cell of your body is made up of the food that you choose to eat. So, you know, do you want all of yourselves to be made up of junk food or processed food?
I certainly don't, you know, I want my immune systems to be made up of like real foods so that they're healthy and strong, you know, go through those things and kind of make some small incremental adjustments. Cause I think that's the other thing that people often get overwhelmed. It's like I listed off all these areas and you go, so I have to change my diet. I have to like change how I clean my house. I need to exercise and you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all these lists list of 50 things and you go, well, that's too much.
So it's like pick one area and go, okay, what can I do, you know, to make some baby steps and just keep building
Speaker 0 (36m 11s): The word baby steps, baby, baby baby steps. Because after a year it won't be a baby. It'll, it'll be a habit. You know,
Speaker 1 (36m 21s): Those babies made a huge leap from where you were just by baby steps consistently.
Speaker 0 (36m 29s): Yeah. Consistent baby-steps have you ever read this book? The slight edge? I haven't,
Speaker 1 (36m 34s): But it sounds like it would be awesome.
Speaker 0 (36m 36s): It's a really good book. It's about the bottom line is how we think and what we do affects our life every day. So we're either going to go up, you know, forwarded up to our next best level stout self, or we're going to go down and crash based on little tiny steps that we make every day, the slight edge. I think I've run it three times. I'll be reading it again this year, just because it's constant.
It's just, you just got to do constant course correction,
Speaker 1 (37m 10s): Right? Yeah. I know. I've heard, you know, even just that 1% change of direction. It's like if you think of a ship, you know, taking like 1% in turn, of course over time that you're in a completely different place. Even though at first it's like, oh, that's just like a tiny little to one side. Yeah.
Speaker 0 (37m 30s): So just a little baby step. So I want to, for all the listeners, let's underline bold and enlarge with an exclamation point baby steps every day, baby step hashtag baby steps every day.
Speaker 1 (37m 46s): Yes, yes. Yes. Because it's less overwhelming. Right? When we, when we go, oh, I got a list of 20 things I'm supposed to do differently. No, thank you. That's a too much. It's too much to keep track of. You're like, oh, now, you know, I've got this thing and that thing, and you know, we already have a lot going on in our brain, but it's like, okay, if I'm just going to say every day, I'm going to like increase the amount of vegetables I eat. You know, I'm going to do that for a month. That is,
Speaker 0 (38m 18s): Love that at what what's the other, what's another step that they can take.
Speaker 1 (38m 25s): I think, you know, remembering to ask for support, whether that be support of, you know, just people in your life, friends, family, you know, people who are doing something similar, it's great to have like just accountability from, you know, people in your life or, you know, sometimes seek out that professional help. It's like certain things are hard to change on our own. And maybe there are some underlying, you know, reasons why that is. So sometimes, you know, reach out to somebody and say, Hey, I, you know, I need help changing my diet.
I don't know what I'm supposed to eat. Like, cause there's a lot of things on the internet that you could look up and then you can also go, I don't know, is this true? Is it, you know, is this bad for me? There's five articles that say it's bad. And then there's five articles that say, it's good. That might be helpful to seek out, you know, somebody who's an expert and say, and that you trust. Right. Right. Yeah. Develop that relationship With somebody and say, you know, look at their credentials, look at how they've helped people overcome what they've overcome and then, you know, say, Hey, can you help me figure out, like, should I be eating this or should I be eating this
Speaker 0 (39m 35s): For my personalized health care plan? You know? Cause everybody's a personalized recipe. Yes,
Speaker 1 (39m 41s): Yes. It's no, there's no one size fits all with everything. No, we are unique and you know, one person might thrive on one thing and somebody else that might just be completely detrimental for their wellbeing.
Speaker 0 (39m 56s): Yes. Yes. So this ancestral talk where there's so much ancestral trauma, you know, that we've been hearing it. Can you explain to our listeners, what is ancestral trauma and how does that affect or play into our health challenge?
Speaker 1 (40m 15s): Yeah, definitely. So that's kind of where more, you know, the ancestral influences our health rather than, you know, the idea that it's bad genes. So now everything our ancestors lived through, whether they lived through wars or famines or, you know, just personal traumas, like, you know, losing a child or something like that, their bodies kind of remember those stories and they actually make changes sometimes in how those, those markers as epigenetic markers go on and off.
And some of it, you know, they've done studies of like Holocaust survivors and how that has, you know, affected the person who survived it. But what got passed on what information through the epigenetic code to their, their children and their grandchildren. Cause it was basically designed to help them be prepared for the world that, you know, they thought they were going to come into like maybe that's not the world now, but if you've had ancestors who lived through something like that, I see this a lot, working with people with like metabolism issues.
If you have an ancestor who lived through a famine, your body is going to be more geared towards, oh well, you know, their famine could start tomorrow. So I better pack on a little bit of extra weight and save it because emergency is going to come and that's how our body could be hardwired because of that. So, you know, it's so interesting and it's, it's also not disempowering because there are ways to actually help resolve those pieces that we've been hurted.
A lot of the work that I do with clients, we look at markers, both that our own bodies have created through all these factors, but also we can go back into an ancestor story and we can kind of see the story and heal it and then clear it from the person who I'm currently working with.
Speaker 0 (42m 7s): It's very interesting that you say that my mother left Cuba. She's 96 years young right now. I know living independently and our fifth floor apartment in Washington, DC. I just finished talking to her right now, but here's the deal. I just want to kind of share this, you know, because stories are good. It kind of helps people understand. So mommy, you know, married my father who was an alcoholic and just was in fear, living in fear the whole time.
And she ended up leaving daddy after 26 years. But she just was always in fear. She she's, she would never say it, but she suffered from anxiety. Sure. And the end, I grew up in that and it passed on to me. You know, I grew up with that gene of anxiety, you know, and I lived in it and just like, like right now, I just finished before I called you. I always like to talk to mom every day, you know, a little bit. And in Washington DC, it was raining and thundering and mom said, I have to hang up because it's thundering.
So in her mind, the fear went off. I'm going to get electrocuted. Now. I'm not, I love my mom. And I just respect where she is and I'm not going to try and change her, but I'm not going to say mom, come on. I don't know of anybody that's been electrocuted through the phone. Have you?
Speaker 1 (43m 39s): No, but you know, in her mind it makes sense on some level and you know, at 96, sometimes you just have to say, like you said, that's where they're at and
Speaker 0 (43m 49s): Step away from that buffet. So that's what I did. And I said, okay, mom, I'll call you and talk to you later. But, and as a result of mommy's upbringing and what she went through world war two and daddy and all that stuff, then I, my, you know, my, my sister and my brother and I have had to overcome anxiety. Yes. Yeah. So, so, and luckily, hopefully by hopefully I've, I've taught myself so that I can help my daughters so that they don't experience anxiety, but they've experienced anxiety and they've had to learn on their own.
So it is very interesting. And it's empowering to know that just because our ancestors went through something, we can actually overcome it. We can actually say, no, this is not going to play in our part. Have you found that? Is that what you say to your peers? Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (44m 42s): You know, in the work that I do with the tools that I have in both body talk and body intuitive, it's it will come up sometimes see that, okay, there's an ancestral story of, you know, somebody who lived through a war, fought in a war or something like, you know, very traumatic. And we see the ancestor story and we see kind of where it's showing up in the client, you know, maybe it's affecting like their adrenals and their cortisol production. So they're constantly, and you know, too much cortisol and that's not even, you know, from their own story.
It's just because they were prepared by some ancestor, you know, in the past for danger, danger, danger, we can clear that we can address whatever that epigenetic change that was inherited from the ancestor. And it totally can shift for somebody it's like, oh wow. Now I don't feel like I'm constantly on edge and constantly in
Speaker 0 (45m 35s): Danger. Beautiful. Beautiful. And, and do you work, do you, do, I'm sure you work with the limbic system, big tests or yeah. Yeah. Got to work with
Speaker 1 (45m 46s): All parts of the brain and the endocrine system. Yeah.
Speaker 0 (45m 50s): Can you share with our listeners, you know, a couple of sentences about the limbic system and why it's such a big deal to take care of it? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45m 58s): In the limbic system, like our amygdala lives in that part of the brain. So it's, it's always determining, you know, are we in fight or flight? Are we not in fight or flight? You know, do I, do I need to be on high alert and ready to run from the danger or fight danger? Most of us are living in that. Right. A lot of the times it's like we're stuck in fight or flight, even though maybe the stress that we're dealing with is, you know, people cutting us off in traffic. Well, that's not likely to kill us unless they're driving like a crazy maniac, you know, but just somebody cutting you off or, you know, your boss being just kind of, not a nice person to deal with.
That's not going to kill you yet. Your brain is reacting to it. Like, you know, I've gotta be ready to fight for my life. And if we don't come out of that, if we don't switch into parasympathetic mode, it's really, really hard on our bodies. And
Speaker 0 (46m 51s): The parasympathetic part of the, of our system just helps us be in mellow mode. You know, kickbacks sweet. She'll be right, mate. I'm safe.
Speaker 1 (47m 1s): Yep. Exactly.
Speaker 0 (47m 3s): Which is a good place to be most of the time. Our adrenals love that, right?
Speaker 1 (47m 7s): Yes. Yes. It's a much better place to be. It's like, life feels pretty good instead of like looking around, waiting for that tiger to jump out of the Bush.
Speaker 0 (47m 19s): How are you doing now? Lynn, tell us, how is, how is your body, how, how does, how's your mind? How's your health?
Speaker 1 (47m 25s): My health is definitely a lot better, you know, I taking control and, and doing all of the things that basically, you know, I did. And I, when my description of kind of that journey and then kind of once I found this healing system that I that's now kind of the primary thing I do has been a total game changer. You know, I actually, my spleen was enlarged because of the Polycythaemia Vera, which is kind of a common thing you probably know. And through working with one of my teachers and mentors, like at one point, my hematologist kept feeling my spleen and she's like, it's smaller than it was like what's happening.
Speaker 0 (48m 7s): And
Speaker 1 (48m 7s): It was just this funny thing to look at her face and go, you didn't agree to take that new medication I wanted you to go on to do. And I said, no, I, I didn't feel like that was something my body wanted me to do. And my spleen still shrunk, you know, she's like, how is that happening? Yup. Power of our mind. Yep.
Speaker 0 (48m 30s): I know. See it's people like you it's patients like you, that will help change conventional medicine because doctors will realize there's something more I'm going to start investigating. Yes.
Speaker 1 (48m 42s): Yeah. It was funny because I just always will remember what she said. And she said, whatever that thing, and she just referred to it as that thing that you're doing, you know, it seems to be doing something so keep doing it, but I never got more questions about what that thing was. It was just like, you know, keep doing what you're doing. I, I think I'm seeing something that I can feel, you know, in, in measuring what your body feels like. And I've always wondered, you know, if she got curious on her own and started to kind of go down some rabbit holes,
Speaker 0 (49m 15s): It, it may happen. It may not happen. It certainly happened for me. Well, I'm so glad you're doing so much better. You definitely are so happy. You're glowing. I love your energy. It's just beautiful. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (49m 29s): Thank you. I've enjoyed getting to chat with you. Your energy is lovely as well.
Speaker 0 (49m 35s): Thank you. So three action steps before we go, can you give us three action steps for our listeners so that they can implement and get, get wins right away?
Speaker 1 (49m 45s): Yeah, definitely. So, you know, first start looking at what you're telling yourself every day. Like we were talking about the power of the mind, try to catch yourself in, you know, what thoughts do I think, like on a, a recording loop and catch yourself and say, do I want to believe that if you don't want to believe that, you
Speaker 0 (50m 4s): Know, what would I rather believe and make it believable?
Speaker 1 (50m 8s): I take this from a friend who does hypnosis, you know, she says, what would you rather believe? And it doesn't have to be like, if you're really sick and not feeling well, it doesn't have to be like, I feel
Speaker 0 (50m 19s): Absolutely amazing today.
Speaker 1 (50m 21s): And you're like, that doesn't sound believable. It's like, maybe it's my body feels a little bit better each and every, like that's a little bit easier for our brain to buy into and say, yeah, I can, I can start to see that. So, you know, really examining the power of your mind. I think the second thing would be those baby steps that we talked about, like pick a baby step, but it doesn't have to be, you know, I'm not going to tell you what your baby steps should be. It could be move your body more could be, look at what you're eating. It could be, do something to reduce your stress every day.
That's a good one. You know, like what can I start to do
Speaker 0 (50m 58s): Each day? You know,
Speaker 1 (51m 1s): Maybe listen to a five minute meditation or do some breathing and, you know, pick that and just be consistent with it. And then I think thirdly, just, you know, remember to be empowered and taking control of your health. Like you are the experts. If your doctor doesn't want to listen to you, or if somebody that you're working with in a different way, and as part of your care team, doesn't want to listen to you. You know, as we talked about, get another opinion, seek somebody else to help you and really find people who want to believe in you and believe in what you want to believe that you can heal rather than just saying, oh yeah, no, this is, this is never going to get better for you.
So why bother? You know, I don't want people like that on my team.
Speaker 0 (51m 49s): Exactly. It is your team. Yes. And you're, you're, you're the one who decides who's on your team and who's not on your team.
Speaker 1 (51m 56s): Yes. And it is okay to fire people from your team. I have done it. It actually feels
Speaker 0 (52m 3s): Really good. I have to, well, can you tell if you're not aligned for me? You know,
Speaker 1 (52m 10s): You're not gonna listen to me. I I've done it after a one appointment with certain doctors. And it's like, you're trying to tell me that what I'm telling you about my experience is not important. I can't get it past that. Sorry.
Speaker 0 (52m 24s): And it's okay to also not to fire people from your friend loop and your family loop, you know, be respectful, love them. Don't want harm for them, but their words are not allowed to enter. Yes. If you're surrounding
Speaker 1 (52m 40s): Yourself with people that don't believe what you want to believe and where you want to go, that's definitely just as influential as what you know, a doctor can say or
Speaker 0 (52m 49s): Yeah. And listen, listen to that small, quiet voice inside of you because it will talk to you. And it does. You just have to listen now.
Speaker 1 (52m 58s): Yes. Yes. And that's where meditation comes in, where you can get quiet enough that you're like, oh, I think I might be like hearing some sort of inner,
Speaker 0 (53m 9s): I can hear you. Maybe
Speaker 1 (53m 12s): I should try this. Or maybe I should stop doing that. It's like, once you start hearing that, it gets a lot easier.
Speaker 0 (53m 19s): So I'm going to go ahead and land this plane, but we've all been flying on in business class. And I just want to say, I want to ask where can people find you and what, what links where, I mean, everything will be in the show notes, but where can people find you? Yeah,
Speaker 1 (53m 40s): Definitely. So my website is heart fire healing, llc.com. And on there, you can look at there's a free gift, which is about how, how to understand what your body is saying to you through your symptoms. So stop being frustrated by your symptoms and start understanding. And I also offer an initial session that you can try the work that I do. So there'll be a link there if you want to kind of try a session at a special introductory rate.
And I am somewhat active on Instagram these days, I'm taking a little break this week, but I, I that's. My main social media is Instagram.
Speaker 0 (54m 19s): Very good. Very good. Well, thank you so much for, for sharing your mess, which is now your message. And you're helping,
Speaker 2 (54m 26s): I know you'll be helping millions of people. Yes. I see you helping millions of people. People need to be empowered. We do for sure. All right. Well, thank you so much. Have a lovely day and thank you for joining us on the MD and chef team. I hope you have a super fantastic day and remember remain on stoppable.
Speaker 3 (54m 54s): Hello, chef Michael here. If you enjoyed today's episode, we would love it. If you subscribe to the podcast and left us a review.